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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Irish economy could be headed for another technical recession

    Bank of Ireland revises down its forecast for GDP growth this year to 1%, citing ‘measurement distortions related to the multinational sector’

    Living the life



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Apart from the fact that it is actually growing, yes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Wow. All I see in my industry is people cutting their costs, same in my client who is a wealthy Swiss.

    Perhaps all rosy in your world.

    Living the life



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    A recession (there's no such thing as a technical recession) needs two consecutive quarters of negative growth. Changing the annual forecast therefore has no direct link to calling it a recession or not, but even at that, as growth is still forecast, it cannot be a recession.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It feels like the domestic economy is not growing.

    Agriculture. A multi billion industry in county cork is on the floor. And tourism and that broader sector are really struggling.

    The bulk of the population work in SMEs, that's a rough place at the moment.

    Not that anyone in govt notice .



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No, my industry is in trouble. But I'm not so cloistered as to think that is reflective of the entire economy.

    You have posted a headline about the economy only growing 1%. That is nowhere near a recession.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what sectors are showing signs of stress at the moment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭DataDude




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yea we re blessed with the current situation in regards corporate tax, we d be screwed otherwise



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭DataDude


    It would be great to see us use the windfall to really accelerate some major infrastructure projects which would also be one off spends. Particularly transport related.

    But linked to the above, when you see the sheer volume of negative attention largely immaterial overruns on the children’s hospital generates, I’d probably steer clear of them if in government. You take all the grief early and the benefit only comes years after you’ve been chucked out of government.

    Probably be more tempted to waste on some more energy credits…



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, we re screwing this one up, we urgently need major infrastructure spending, and fast, or we could eventually lose this momentum in fdi, we clearly do not compare to other european countries in regards transport infrastructure, but this wont happen, our policy makers have their heads stuck in the past, thinking we re far less wealthier than we actually are….



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Nearly 10 years and 300% increase in projected costs is immaterial?🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭DataDude


    In the context of our public finances the total cost of the hospital is fairly immaterial, yes. As per above - we just got a €2bn bump on CT alone in a single month.

    If you ran the really major infrastructure projects we need the overruns could be really massive. Not worth the potential blowback when payoff isn’t for a decade or more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    It's cronyism and the public know it. But it could be worse, we're not Russia or NK.

    If we had decent infrastructure than the blow back wouldn't be half as bad when it overshoots by absolute farcical amounts of time and money.

    So it's real chicken and egg stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    don’t think it’s cronyism it’s more a case of trying to be all things to everyone instead of having vision and delivering on one big investment that would reap benefits for the future and help grow the economy organically.



  • Registered Users Posts: 139 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    Irish people prefer to see the government money spent on propping up house prices than being spent on large infrastructure projects. It is nice to be able to get genuinely wealthy in the long term by buying a house in Ireland but it comes at a cost as government money is finite. Just think of the money spent bailing out banks exposed to residential property and all the cash being thrown into the private housing market directly and indirectly by the State; it is staggering and just leaving the housing market alone (in fact unwinding a lot of legislation around planning even) to focus on infrastructure projects would be a better investment and it would insulate the economy from any global crash.

    There is a real concentration risk in the economy from the reliance on corporation tax which is effectively stolen tax from other countries the way the superCorps structure their tax affairs which means that any fixing of the loopholes enabling Ireland’s corporation tax take let alone a global recession would severely expose the rest of the country and all the paper wealth in the housing market can quite easily dissipate. Meanwhile we don’t have ambitious infrastructure projects being undertaken and people will wonder where all the money went.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You don't think there's cronyism involved in the children's hospital? Just pure incompetence is the other option?

    I think we've enough historical evidence to take an educated guess and say it's more likely to be cronyism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …some irish people want to see the value of their property maintaining the current trend of growing, but some parents and grandparents are starting to see this as a major failure of housing policy. government money actually isnt finite, but we ve also managed to convince ourselves it is, the fact that we refuse to run deficits, which is exactly how governments create money, so by having such limits in place, we become addicted to running our economies primarily by credit created money, which is created by our global financial system, which is hardwired to maximize returns, and the easiest way to do that, is to use it to inflate the price of assets such as, and in particular, related to property. this is one of the main reasons why our property prices are not falling, and wont, as the more credit based money enters the system, the higher prices rise, this is evident all over the world now, hence why many countries are now experiencing hyper inflated property prices, this process is also called financialisation.

    we probably should all be running slight deficits, and use that money to build, but dont worry, its not gonna happen, credit is the way forward, and hyper inflated property markets….



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Dont think so already rumblings about inheritance caps being increased all they have to do is die and the kids and grandkids will more than likely get a lovely big tax free wind fall the current rate is 335k watch this go up and up. The only thing going to stop this is a c-change in tact and building regs/policy and the gov building in very high numbers the modular homes quick and cheap and the current demand could be quelled in a 2/3 years. But like all other decisions these people make (RTE, Children's Hosp to name but 2 of many) they want the income tax payer to bend over and take it, as we are now the voiceless. The income tax payer is now a group that is never grouped together or taken into consideration and are kept apart through other battles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭howsshenow


    An interesting video with multiple inputs on Bric Countries forming their own Gold backed trading Currency and finishing with economic predictions of one year from now… Worth a look if u have time.

    https://youtu.be/xNGop6SYW78?si=PSHuNimDOMqOwiBV



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah no offence, but probably nonsense, theres major reasons why the gold standard was ditched back in the 70's, one of the main being it was impossible to expand our economies while being locked into monetary restrictions, i.e. in order to grow an economy, your money supply must also grow with it, austrians really need to get over this reality!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    BRIC are not in any way, shape or form a functioning international organisation and indeed several of them despise each other. The idea they would coordinate on a joint currency is pure fantasy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭howsshenow


    Ya, I could agree on the Gold backed currency being nonsense.

    But the steady increase in price of Gold & the repatriation of it + Countries purchasing large quantities of it is certainly intriguing.

    Food for thought as always but you won't hear some of the facts in that Video in mainstream news.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …it is certainly interesting to watch the accumulation of gold world wide, including in more advanced economies, but its days are long done in regards having any monetary importance, and any country or region still trying to make it so, will hit the exact same issues that occurred in the 70's, i am still a little baffled why its being accumulated, including by central banks around the world though…..

    apologies, but i didnt watch the video, but what points did you find interesting in it, that you find isnt being addressed by more mainstream outlets?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    china is the biggest central bank buyer of gold recently…Russia did similar in 4/5 years before they invaded Ukraine…That’s not saying china is planning a war might just be mitigating risk



  • Registered Users Posts: 139 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    Interesting link between China and Russia; what would happen if Taiwan was invaded during a Trump presidency? Would the US avoid getting involved? NVIDIA would collapse and probably bring down the US stock market (and with it retail investor / pension fund portfolios as well as the ETF/passive investing Ponzi scheme).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    if USA went to war to defend Taiwan (as they have promised to do in such an event) Nvidia and stock market would be the least of the worries……:Gold leaves less of a paper trail and even if sanctions in place you will nearly always find someone that will accept it.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    ETF/passive investing Ponzi scheme)

    This either misunderstands what ETFs are or what Ponzi schemes are.



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