Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

What's your solution to the immigration crisis?

1. Have a limit on numbers in line with what the country can realistically expect to support without impacting on service levels

2. Have an efficient application system which, when a decision is made, the applicant is deported if its rejected

3. Anyone who gers convicted in court is deported permanently.

4. Have a visa system based on skills requirements.

Some basic process which is clearly lacking

Agree with all this but I think you owe me an answer on Paschal first.

A limit on numbers will be hard to enforce and encourage more illegal migrants. The NI border is a sieve. And where do you house the ones being processed?

I also asked Sweet Science.

I see an article in the Irish Times about 30 additional sites identified and being made ready for asylum seekers.

The equivalent of 30 more coolock events?

And after those 30, what about the next 30?

And after this year, what about the next year?

That's without getting beyond the initial warehousing of people, not even attempting to explain what's supposed to happen with all these people next. Also without acknowledging that there is a growing majority of Irish people that can't move down the road for lack of affordable/available housing.

I know it's too easy sometimes to be overly dramatic and make silly statements, but goodness gracious! With practically zero acknowledgement from any major party on the sentiment of the entire country, rather an acceleration in spite of what people want, how could you not be expecting some mass upheaval?

I find it far too realistic to see some random shocking event turning into a cascading nationwide reaction.

I said it before, but I have never, ever seen such astounding ignorance and disregard for inevitability.

I've already posted some measures which I think we should look at.

But what's important here, especially in the context of recent days, is to be aware that there is no quick fix to this issue readily available to our government, or indeed being proposed by any of the major parties.

Some fringe political figures have proposals but from what I can see these are only going further with measures which have already failed, or wouldn't be practical to apply here.

Given then the unsustainable spending we have coming from policing these protests, arson attacks, riots etc. I see no option available to the gov other than to crack down on the violent and dangerous elements within the anti-immigration movements. This might involve some legislative changes to distinguish between legitimate and bogus 'peaceful' protestors, domestic terrorism laws etc.

A positive knock on effect, welcome to many whether left, right or center, might be improvements in how we deal with repeat offenders.

And the most recent iteration of affordable on the Oscar Traynor Road is half a million.

It was me who told you about McGrath. Apology accepted 😉

I agree the government have no plans. I doubt the next government will have a plan.

Will the EU migration pact help?

Which Tipp village is being overrun with 1000s of migrants?

Do you think zero migration is possible?

Do you ever actually read what you put up??? There is all the difference in the world between what was envisaged with that a few years ago and 550+ occupancy conversion of a factory. It's the difference between your neighbour putting in a septic tank and the council or Irish Water building a municipal sewage treatment plant on your doorstep. You might ignore the former but you'd bloody well take a long hard look at the latter.

But do you read?? I'd be embarrassed if I put that link up as evidence to back an argument.

The conditions include the below:

• The works required should be mainly to the interior of the building with limited external works being permitted which should be in keeping with the building and neighbouring buildings, including the provision of on-street access to upper floors and alterations to existing ground floor shop fronts in respect of window and architectural details.
• Works to the ground floor of a structure should not conflict with an objective in a development plan for the structure to remain in retail use, with the exception of works solely for the provision of on-street access to upper floors.
• No more than 9 individual residential units can be provided in a building.
• Minimum standards apply to residential units being developed such as minimum requirements in relation to overall floor areas, storage space requirements and the need for adequate natural light in living rooms and bedrooms.
• Works to a protected structure are not permitted.
• Works for the provision of on-site wastewater treatment and disposal systems i.e. septic tanks, are not permitted under the exemption.
• Works are not permitted in a number of limited areas, such as areas of special planning control, areas to which special amenity area orders relate and within certain proximity distances of establishments to which the major accident regulations apply.
• There is provision for issues such as bats and nesting birds which are protected by EU legislation.
• The development must not contravene a condition attached to a prior planning permission obtained.

No more than 9 individual residential units……………………………… not FIVE HUNDRED.

I'll tell you what I know, rather than think.

This situation has been left run rampant and is going to end in shame. That's as near a fact as you'll get.

All the twiddling talk of this model and that model, this country and that country, no plan, vaguest of acknowledgements, acceleration, no mandate, no representation, and far too much money involved.

Honestly, if I were to bet on how this situation rectifies itself, it will be through chaos.

There is next to no patience left for it anymore and I'll say again that I can see some random shocking event creating a cascade reaction across the country.

In other words, it won't be politics leading the people, it will be people leading the politics.

That it has been allowed reach such a point is an indictment of the recklessness and greed steering this ship. For years upon years.

The principals the same and given the amount of unused commercial property in the country, especially in rural areas, it certainly allows that larger number of residents could move to an area exempt from planning.

I don't know why you've highlighted about changes to exterior of the building or sewage works. I really don't think that's what anybody was rioting about, do you?

When have you said it before ??

/S

It is possibly the most inefficient way to answer the question. Lots of emotive nonsense really.

The question is how we could physically lock down Ireland to allow for zero immigration? It's the thread title. I made one key suggestion (hard border NI, doable), you have offered zero.

No, it is the most efficient answer because it underlines the fact of the matter. We are 100% hellbound for disaster.

The implication being that anything should be on the table.

As I said above regarding housing alone, it would require zero migration for practically a decade to improve it.

That being the very measurable case, then zero migration should be chased.

Anything less than emergency level solutions for emergencies is simply inadequate.

We wouldn't have to be considering emergency measures had this been tackled years ago. But here we are, thanks to that.

Just consider the tangible changes over the last decade regarding all of this. You could count them if you had no hands. An utter disgrace.