Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

So again. Lots of vague words. Zero how. WUM methinks.

It doesn’t ‘push’ asylum seekers anywhere that they aren’t in to begin with, 70% of them are secondary movements from other Member States to Ireland. You know this. Ireland implementing policies of deterrence isn’t something that could be blamed on the State in the way you suggest. Yes, Sweden can say that Denmark is pushing asylum seekers on the State. France can say that Italy is pushing asylum seekers on the State. Germany cannot say that Ireland is pushing asylum seekers on to State. Nowhere can - we’re an island on the edge of Europe. We are downstream of all of this. So this idea that the State would be blamed is a fiction. And as far as your two old opinion pieces are concerned, they don’t say anything other than that migration is an existential policy point for the EU. Sure, I agree with that, start reducing migration EU wide by implementing policies of deterrence that compliment externalisation policies. There’s limited utility in making it harder for people to get to the EU if you don’t make getting to the EU less attractive!

Nonsense.

11,938 social housing units delivered in 2023 according to a press release on gov.ie yesterday.

More funding in 2024 too so how could it drop to from almost 6,000 in the first half of 2023 to 190 in 2024?

Your source a caller into Joe Duffy?

I know we argued last night and for that I apologise .

The problem I have with your post is they ( the Danish government ) enacted stricter policies to appease a very right wing minority coalition party and that is not a road I would like to see us going down .

Ireland has had a massive 95% increase in IPO officials processing applications since 2022.

Applications from safe countries are now being turned around much faster and those seeking asylum from those same countries has dropped by 50% since January .

80% appeals from safe countries are now being rejected .Appeals take up time but this has been reduced to less than two years from most countries and 5.5 months from safe in the last year . That is a big improvement .

The next problem is removal / deportation once applications are refused and benefits are withdrawn .

Some people will leave , self deport once they get rejected others won't . Staying on , far more likely to be working in the black economy, in poverty , not paying tax and getting involved in crime .

This is where we need a stronger path from government and I would and have been in favour of encouraged deportations and forced deportations where those do not happen within a short timeframe .

But we will need places all over the country to accommodate people while being processed , at the very least .

We are not unique in Europe in this . Denmark is .

What more do you think we should be doing bearing in mind our present centrist government with centrist electorate ?

What are the stats on immigration vs emigration for ireland 2024?

I don't know. I used to be regularly up to speed with precise statistics, and whenever there was a chance to bring them up anywhere, they were just ignored outright. Obvious as the nose on your face that disaster was inbound, all just ignored and played away.

Now look at the state of it all.

I'll hazard a guess given every other year: the numbers are ridiculous. That should cover it adequately.

IIf Anyone wants to find out (and essentially waste their time), they'll find them on cso and the other usual suspects.

With the Labour government in power in the UK and the Rwanda plan dead in the water does anyone know if there has been a decrease in the numbers coming from the UK ?

Emigration though isn't freeing up housing as its largely people leaving the family home which exacerbates the problem.

You'll get no apologies for cherry picking stats.😄 You can't just focus on new buildings. I actually looked at the whole press release cos I would be genuinely astonished if the delivery was to be as low as you'd indicated.

You ignored the 2,550 people accommodated via hap and ras in Q1.

Then the advice of capital delivery being normally larger in Q3 and Q4; where 83% of the new build were delivered last year. Again, 11,938 were delivered, the majority in the latter half of the year.

And there being 9,179 social housing units on site. 15,000+ coming on stream. With the department advising they will surpass the 12k this year.

I fully agree with your point on the logjam but it's not the fault or cause of the migrants. Yes it's adding to the problem, which is why solutions like the paint factory are needed.

I know three ppl who left for Australia in the last year. Two had just finished college in 2022 and have skills required. Another went on a working holiday but has since applied for a different visa as she is a special needs assistant.

23, 23 and 28. All out of family home

Who's the one cherry picking?

I was precise initially, your response was incorrect, my further response was even more precise, and now you're back to answer a question nobody asked.

You are cherry picking.

As for your numbers, I care less and less for the gobbledygook that gets spun out each year. It demonstrably is wildly insufficient. Every year. Wildly on the double.

The problem was never housing being built.

And before anyone activates, consider this latest ludicrosity lifted from cso

"Irish population could grow to over 7m by 2057, says CSO

Agency’s latest projections indicate inward migration will be the main driver of population growth, with birth rates predicted to fall"

Over 7 million? And they're already struggling to warehouse people in paint factories?

Nobody is ever going to outbuild that fiasco, and the ever worsening conditions that go hand in hand with it spells out societal upheaval. Clear as day.

Anyone that's about to call it doom mongering better be ready to spell out where the lacking several hundred thousand homes are going to come from, plus the insane amount of extra homes needed to keep pace.

Again, if it's a race between the likelihood of housing, adequately, an extra 1.5 to 2 million people, plus the deficit needed to bring back affordability, versus the whole shebang exploding, I'll be going with the explosion. Its simply common sense probability, or a good bet.

An additional shout out to "birth rates predicted to decline". Wow, I wonder why?

We need a younger population.

Irish women are not having enough children. 2.1 children per couple is replacement level births. We are at 1.5.

A lot of immigration is needed to keep things going for a couple more decades.

The irony is the "native" Irish are in decline with or without immigration.

Unless women can be encouraged to have more children the future is very grim.

Nearly everyone I know went to Australia or elsewhere in their 20s, they're all home now. Ireland is a small island so lots of young people go to experience life abroad. Kiwis do the same. London is packed with kiwis and aussies. Nearly all the irish doctors that go to Australia come home, they go to gain experience and see the world. Irish people will always emigrate for a while or for good given the nature of ireland itself.

Working families have to make a financial decision as we did. You need two people working to pay a normal mortgage. Childcare costs are ridiculous to the point that they are almost another mortgage. It is too expensive to have kids if you work and pay for your home. The only large families in my area are those that never worked a day in their lives. Adding a group of people that will have zero education, therefore not going to be taxpayers, to the group that don't work solves nothing.

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