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Shannon Water for Dublin?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You're still not getting it. It doesn't matter where Gaspode is from. Dublin doesn't have that localism attitude that you have. People from all over the country (and the world) live in Dublin and are welcomed to Dublin. My neighbours are a mix of Dubs, non dubs and non Irish. I'm sure people from where you live have moved on to have very successful lives in Dublin. Dublin is the cultural epicentre of the country with sub cultures and has had many many different influences throughout the years.

    You're average Dublin dweller doesn't use terms like blow-ins and your attitude on this thread isn't normal for the Dublin City forum. If you look at other threads it's a helpful, welcoming place where people ask for advice and people give advice.

    You've been told this numerous times in the kings English, the only language you understand. The Shannon Water project isn't just for Dublin and isn't just for Dubliners in Dublin. It's a nationwide project.



  • Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭1percent


    @saabsaab *the river Shannon is the longest river in the North Atlantic Arcepeligo, does that feel better to read? The old name for our islands seeMs to have triggered you greaty. Are you happy to discuss the point now



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    I am from a very rural part of the British Isles, not near Dublin nor the Shannon basin so I have no skin in the game if thats what you're suggesting. Your deflecting response shows once again that you are incapable of discussion, so do not post in this thread again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I can only find leakage stats from an Irish Examiner article from 2015. Dublin City Centre isn't mentioned with South Dublin in the lowest ranking parts of the country. Roscommon a shocking 68% rate.

    Does anyone know if there's more recent stats?

    "Roscommon has the biggest problem, losing 68% of its water through leaks — a figure that is 6% higher than previously thought.

    Ten other councils are losing at least half their supply to leaks. They are: Mayo, 58%; Cork county, 57%; Kerry, 57%, Galway city, 56%; Offaly, 56%; Leitrim, 55%; Sligo, 54%; Waterford city and county, 52%; Galway county, 52%; and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, 50%.

    Losses were lowest in Monaghan, 32%; Cavan, 33%; South Dublin, 34%; Kildare, 35%; Laois, 35%; and Wicklow and Clare, both 37%."

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20373309.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The 'King's English' is not the only language I understand. Your Dublin centric view is typical. It is not a nationwide project it is for Dublin and its suburbs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    'British isles' so you are outside the republic!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Clearly you don't understand it as much as you understand any other language. You're geography is as impressive as your knowledge of Ireland if you think Munster is a Dublin suburb!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    This project will be at much greater cost that predicted like the Children’s hospital.

    It will be tied up in legal battles for years

    It will be ‘managed’ by Uisce Eireann who have a very bad track record in looking after environmental concerns

    It may have damaging effects on Lough Derg and wildlife surrounding. The quantities stated will be exceeded over time.

    It will damage tracts of land over the course of the pipeline affecting many farms and communities on the way.

    The project is to attract more foreign direct investment to Dublin, which is already bursting at the seams. The IDA also need to be reminded that there is business to be conducted outside of Dublin.  An over-sized capital is not in the interest of the country this will only feed the monster that Dublin has become.  Government policy to grow the regional cities is not working, and national infrastructure projects like the Shannon pipeline should not fuel the further growth of Dublin.

    The attitude of some in this post is closely related to the attitude of our former colonial occupiers i.e. we take what we want and anyone who disagrees is either a fool or does not understand. In other words Dublin centric.



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    @saabsaab one more post here and a ban kicks in.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Members of the Green party have stated that this pipeline could lead to further ‘lopsided’ development in the country. Absolutely, bring industries to the water where it is needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Stupid idea, plenty of water in Dublin area

    Not enough capacity to produce clean water because of the sieve like nature of the system



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    If there was plenty of water in the Dublin area we wouldn't be using our Shannon Water! We're already using the Liffey and there's not enough from the Tolka or the Dodder, their simply to small. The engineers and experts have done the work and the only option is the Shannon. Dublin is one of the driest regions in the country. From what I can gather now, parts of Dublin have the least leaks in Ireland so… The Shannon has been decided on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The Liffey is simply too small to supply water to Dublin. Any sort of dry spell and we're in trouble. If the water isn't coming from the Shannon, it has to come from somewhere else and that is not up for debate. Even if we magically fixed every leak in the county, we still need a longer-term solution.

    On the other hand, the Shannon floods half the country every winter, surely taking a bit of that water at peak flow times is not a bad thing for the surrounding areas.

    Unfortunately, "them Dubs coming down here and stealing our water" is a very simple message that will always play well, so expect lots of local politicians, community groups and farmers to be beating that drum and (let's be honest) to have their hands out looking for compo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Mannesmann


    Why wouldn't they be entitled to compo? Surely if your land is off limits for a time unspecified and a permanent access to a pipeline you should be compensated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,987 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The proposed extraction will have a negligible affect on flooding.

    It is of no benefit to those living in flood prone areas



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,987 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There will undoubtedly be compensation for landowners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,429 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Almost all farmers don't like the disruption of infrastructure going through their land. But almost all cooperate. Leakage should be brought down to 20%. Not economic to go below that. Factor that in to the equation before doing the sums. Engineers will always go for the big solution, BTW.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,195 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think there's a lot more information needed here, if the maximum amount that will be extracted is 2% of the flow I'd question why it needs to be so far South.

    It seems the 2% figure is based on either the average or max flow of the Shannon, meaning that there's a real worry that in times of minimal flow, or even drought like we had in 2018, that Dublin would be prioritised over Limerick, Clare and Kerry

    I'd like to see a cost comparison made between this and a desalination plant that could be built in Dublin. I suspect the pipeline would not be seen as the best value project



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Mannesmann


    True, it's not a done deal yet. Planning to be sought and environmental impacts will have to be studied.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Massive ongoing energy input needed for desalinisation, which can be put to far better use elsewhere. We have plenty of fresh water on the island, we're not one of the Canary Islands or something. It's a very simple matter to pipe it where it's needed.

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Mannesmann


    Hardly simple when you add in the costs in the billions, environment and unforeseen events.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Dublin is one of the driest regions in the country, it is the driest

    Thats like saying the gobi desert is one of the wettest deserts in the world

    Its still over supplied with water

    The issue is the creation of clean drinking water when consumption goes up



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,195 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We have no problem building energy heavy data centers though, we also have lots of wind power and even a bit of solar. This is exactly my point, we all assume these things will cost a fortune but none of us really know

    Plus you have to bear in mind how much energy this pipeline will take pumping the amount of water that it does



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Desalination is a complete non-runner, because a) it sucks up huge amounts of energy at a time when we're already exceeding our carbon limits, b) all the desalinated water we need is literally falling from the sky, and c) it's not really suitable for drinking.

    Taking 2% of the Shannon's flow will be imperceptible on the ground. You would assume that they'll take more in the winter, less in the summer, more when the river levels are high, less when they're low.

    Building a pipeline from the Shannon to Kildare is not a trivial job, if there was an easier or better solution, you can bet Irish Water would be doing it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    There's not enough drinking water. That's why we're piping it up from the Shannon. Where else do you think we should get it in Dublin?

    Is the leakage down to 20% in Dublin now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,429 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think most parts of the country are running at over 40% losses. The conclusion by some poster here that IW would use the best solution, is quite funny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    It might be so far south because a new treatment works is planned for Birdhill to supply the south midlands and Limerick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    There is plenty of water, how did you come up with this

    It's not like the Colorado River and lake Meade

    We have never come anywhere near running out if water reserves

    The only issue is converting water to clean water

    This is why you get issues when the weather gets cold the sameas when it gets warm

    It makes no sense

    Spend the money on fixing the leaks like any sensible utility does

    As others have said there's no history of Irish state bodies doing what is sensible



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Mannesmann


    Or within budget. You don't have to look beyond the Children's hospital. When is that to open again? Oh yes, we still don't know.



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