Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

all this upheaval does not suit the good folk of D4 that kindly suggested moving the IPA centre from Mount st to somewhere more suitable ,where eh theres "wrap around services" available,nice try ,but soiree ,no chance now .

It's so sad. My community would be considered upper middle so we escape this disaster but anyone with a heart should feel sorry for the working class areas that have been abandoned and betrayed continuously. They have my full solidarity.

Peaceful protests turned ugly by some is bad....but peaceful protests turned ugly by the Public Order Unit is good?

The footage is there for all to see. Some Gardai again using heavy handed tactics against peaceful protesters so is it any wonder crowds retaliate.

I don't condone scum, and an element of scum always end up at these protests. But pepper spraying protesters who've done feck all except be part of the protest isn't a good look.

The tracksuit brigade is one thing, but unfortunately there are a few thugs wearing AGS uniforms.

100%, I think the current escalating crisis is a function of the following Government treatment,

1 Apathy,

2Woke/NGO/ leftish media pressure,

3 Denial of reality and refusal to change direction when facts change.

4.Crisis management, cliff side poor decision making.

5.Double down and choose wrong fork in road.

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I am no fan of the corrupt Gardai since the treatment of McCabe.

I doubt the innocents that were pepper sprayed ended up throwing bricks and stuff. That element needs to be excluded from the peaceful protests. Otherwise they are playing into the governments hands.

Arson, violence, thuggery will never work.

SF in their website had their policy roughly as follows.

1. No direct provision.

2. About 10k refugees per year (reasonable pre refugee/housing crisis)

So why don't they stick to that instead of pretending like huge annual numbers on top of the massive wave from Ukraine is ok.

Literally just stick to their policy and shout out loud under no circumstances would we accept more. And maybe even none for a few years.

A reasonable policy which would have gained huge support. Instead they cted like cheer leaders for the government refugee policy.

Sinn fein want a united ireland. Another conspiracy theory here. But let in as much through the north so as to consider border control only through a united ireland. Oh im nuts aint I. Or are politicans crazy fookers. Or are they corruptable. Hard to know.

Has ireland a history of public violence against irish state. Ok the civil war but? Its not on same scale yes but. This is different. Its like the government are hand tied either way and are held at gunpoint. Scary

I believe governments of the past would of had a referendum on the current crisis and People would vote no. We had a referendum 20 odd years ago in relation to immigrants. Sometime to do with citizenship I can't remember. All I know is we overwhelmly voted no.

They know this and that'll never let us decide.

I can't for the life of me get my head around this. Why won't the citizens be consulted. Why can't we chose if we want this increase or go the Danish route.

Just to remind everyone that this poster believes the following:

That anyone in the world should be allowed to show up to any airport or ferry port in the world, say they are travelling to Ireland to claim asylum, and then be permitted to board the plane/ferry to Ireland without a passport.

Such idiotic beliefs should be acknowledged for what they are.

Ref post #25881.

I'm surprised at this viewpoint. Perhaps an overhang from the water protests which many people condemned the thuggery. However, this time round you can bet your bottom dollar/euro/pound that the very-squeezed middle-classes are chuffed with the 'working class' who are doing the 'dirty' work of publicly taking a stand on the immigration issue. Ask most €30k to €70k earners [off the record] and you might be very surprised with the response.

That Polish woman who tore Von Der Leyen apart the other day is my new hero

Watched that because it was shared to me via WhatsApp. Of course it got shared forward straight after watching to dozens of contacts. Ewa Zajaczkowska-Hernik has some appeal, she'll do well. One to watch.

Forgot to add, at that time [of the water protests] the state was increasing taxes left right and centre (USC, VAT went up, Carbon Taxes ramped up, etc…) while the bulk of unemployment-related social welfare payments were left untouched. This felt rather unfair to those in employment who saw their wages decrease in real terms. Hence the middle-class condemnation of 'thuggery'.

This time round, it is largely the same demographic protesting in places such as Coolock over migration. However, unlike the water tax, the migration issue doesn't just stop at one bill/invoice. It eats into the cost of local services, it inflates rental prices, property prices, increases demand on healthcare and education. It hurts the middle-classes even more than the working classes.

This is by far too under-stated. In the quiet one-on-one conversations the middle-class are rooting for the working classes here in forcing the hand of the state to back down on their migration policy.

This is going on for five days and five nights now - I think the only outcome is summed up in your last sentence.

The pushback against anything that lad decides or implements or introduces the better. Mad as a bag of badger's. At least Ryan had only sowing lettece plants and took the odd work nap.