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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭funnyname


    We have an MG ZS for 4 months, 7,000km clocked up but only ever charged at home by zappi. Current 100% GOM is giving about 480km.

    We're going to Dublin on Sunday for the All-Ireland final.

    We'll be travelling up the M6, any suggestions as to where to charge en route, we'll be stopping for food in both directions.

    I was thinking the Tesla superchargers in Johnstown or Enfield services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Also which services should I sign up to in advance, Ionity, ESB, Tesla, anyone else?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Enfield is open to non Teslas so aim for that.
    download the Tesla app for use.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    You might as well sign up to ESB pay as you go, it's inevitable you will use them at some stage and their infrastructure grows by the week.

    In 7+ years of EV driving I've never used Ionity

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,341 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Tesla Supercharger Enfield all day long… 6 chargers all up to 250kW, and the hotel serve lovely food.

    An inbound top up here gets you in and out of the city comfortably and a top up again on the return trip home will see you through….

    I wouldn’t stop in Enfield services…. Last time I was there I had to wade through piss to get to the toilets… Johnstown House is a lovely hotel with great bar food and clean facilities.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    In fairness that is because at first you had EVs, that couldn't use Ionity. And then you had Teslas, that didn't need Ionity 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Perfect, thanks a million for the suggestions

    Stupid question but I presume my DC connection is compatible with the superchargers? Also what rate of charge (Charging: 1 phase AC: 7.2 kW max. 3 phase AC: 11 kW max. DC: 75/94 kW max (SR/LR)) should I be looking at when connected, it's a LR model so will I get close to the 94kW and after the drive from Clare should the battery be warm enough for optimum speed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,341 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    V3 Superchargers (Enfield & Athenry, and Cork/sandyford) are CCS2 so fully compatible with your car…

    Look up your cars charging curve on EV database, but as the V3 Superchargers put out 250kW, your car will be the limiting factor, not the charger, so if you arrive with a warm battery and low SoC% you’d see the full 94kW initially.

    The car should be warm enough after that drive, but you’d probably want to be below 20% to see the headline speeds, and the speed will taper down as the battery fills up (charging curve)



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,341 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    also, if you are in having food, the car could be well finished charging before you’re finished eating, so make sure to be aware of when it stops charging to move it as Tesla charge €1/min for overstaying…

    ESB will give you a slap on an ass cheek for overstaying, but Tesla will remove your pants and violate you for doing same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,934 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They do allow you one free transgression before penalising you though.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭innrain


    Fastned has lots of charging curves but unfortunately not for your model. Here is a link for different MG models

    https://www.fastnedcharging.com/en/brands-overview/mg

    As you can see the charging power is not flat during the charge.

    As to why and what affects it a quite interesting read is here

    https://www.fastnedcharging.com/en/stories/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-fast-charging



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,312 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    I think Tesla enfield is probably the best option. for westbound make sure you get a reciept at the toll as you'll come up to another toll booth as you try get back on the M6. If you press the button just say you've already been through the main toll going westbound , they just asked had I reciept and I said I did and they opened the barrier. Not sure what the situation is eastbound

    Enfield services I assume is Applegreen? The Westbound one has only one charger anyways so I wouldn't be betting on that being available. It's an applegreen one so if you do want to use you can either sign up for the applegreen app or you can pay slightly more using a regular card. Don't know what eastbound is like.

    Another option I don't see mentioned much is Kinnegad service station, it seems to have 8 200Kw ESB chargers (pay with the ESB app) and there is a supermacs there if that is more the kind of food your fancying. Tesco and aldi are quite close to it too so you could pick up some stuff for eating in the car if you wanted to save a few quid.

    The service station at Moate/Athlone has a mcdonalds and a few other food options, I believe the chargers there are Ionity. I'm not far from there so its too close for me to be bothered stopping so I've never used it for the EV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭munsterfan2


    Travelling up from Cork the day of the Kerry q/f and the 6 x chargers on the M7 (Kilcullen I think ) were full, and the service station was jammers inside.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I expect mayhem at all services for all Ireland. I would stop early and if all chargers are busy move on to next site etc. There is a risk for the peak all Ireland commute traffic everything will be full everywhere. Parking at Dublin may also be an issue.

    Tesla is an option but beware to download app in advance and learn how to use the app to charge a non Tesla. Also make sure you have ESB ecars app with an account set up etc. Give yourself lots of time. Maybe try charging when at 30% or less, but I would stop early and often and skip in use sites. If you passenger checks the apps they can see if all chargers are in use and for how long so you can keep going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I was delivering a '12 Leaf to its new owner (a boardsie) from Dublin to Galway yesterday, I find the fastest to do a long trip with a very short range Leaf is with frequent CHAdeMO stops and keeping the SOC very low. I stopped 5 times

    So, the last 2 of the charge stops were on the old EFACEC triple head chargers and they started with 51kW and 48kW (readout from the display near the bottom of the charger). Is that real or way overstated? On the more modern ESB chargers, the highest I saw was about 35kW



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Sounds like hell. I’d have been tempted to trailer it of have to buyer collect it



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    What on earth makes you say that? It was a leisurely drive, after the first leg it was charging 15 mins, driving 25 mins or thereabouts (times 4). The Leaf's GOM is pretty accurate and range anxiety does not exist if you are experienced with EVs. No issues with any chargers, no wait times, lovely sunny day, comfy car, I was not in a rush. Got paid to deliver it.

    It cost me €15 to charge (fast charging and home charging) and zero in tolls as I took the back roads



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I’ve zero issue with range anxiety but I do value my time hence why I wouldn’t care to do it. You got paid to deliver which I wrongly assumed you didn’t. Considering it’s probably at least 200Km, you did well to get away with 4 stops. Out of curiosity, did the later stops take much longer as the battery got warmer ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭flyer_query


    what a waste of a day. You would want to be getting a serious premium v selling hassle free locally or just have nothing better for doing with your time. Driving like a snail, stoping 5 times and then back home!

    But if needs be and that was the only option to get rid, I’d say you are glad to see the back of it as sounds like you had it for sale for ages.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't get the negativity from others. Sounds like a nice time out from the rat race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Anything regarding EVs will get negativity on here. Sounds like a great little adventure!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    5 stops. Could have done less but the stops were all convenient on well established locations, just the good old ESB ecars chargers. I didn't bother looking into alternatives. There is no issue with these early Leafs with rapid gating, you can charge them all day long and they will get the same speed. To start with, when the battery is empty. And it throttles a lot and very quickly. So the trick is to charge often with really low SOC. I typically arrived at a charger with about 10km range on the GOM



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Wrong on all counts. I like driving. I like getting experiences with new hardware in the sphere of renewables and EVs. Ask anyone on the renewables forum and they will attest to this 😂

    The weather was great. I live in a busy house, both of us working from home, 3 teenage and adult kids and a dog. Was lovely to have some peace and quiet on the road. After the new owner dropped me back into Galway city centre, I had a nice stroll around, Galway festival was on. And I had some nice dinner, before making it back on the train home.

    Car was already sold and paid in full a long time ago. The buyer is a boardsie and a regular on this forum and his life is in turmoil, I was doing him a favour delivering it as he was struggling to find a chance to collect it. He paid me for my trouble. He paid me what I asked him for delivery. Which was substantially lower than the cost of a tow truck. Got to meet his lovely family too and we had a nice chat over a cup of tea / glass of water.

    BTW I never advertised this car. I bought it for my daughters to learn to drive and and because it was a bargain. They prefer my i3. So plan B. I knew the buyer would be interested. I offered it for a good price (substantially cheaper than the cheapest one for sale in the country), sent him some pics of it and he accepted my offer almost immediately

    Apologies for off topic, but had to set the record straight on this…



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭wassie


    Sounds like a great day out. But then again I love driving and appreciate all kinds of motors and understand its not everyone's thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Sounds like an excellent day unkel, well done.

    “It is better to travel hopefully, than to arrive” 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 808 ✭✭✭amdaley28




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭maidhc


    it still sounds a bit miserable though! It takes all kinds! My favourite delivery job was connecting a 968 convertible from a specialist in London and bringing it home for a former employer… I think I had the roof down the whole way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,381 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You beat me there alright 😁

    But no, the trip wasn't miserable at all. Think of it from my point of view, experienced EV driver, zero range anxiety, getting a mini road trip away from hectic home / work life, relaxing day, all expenses paid and still a nice 3 figure sum of cash on top. While doing a good deed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭mrm


    Yeah, a number of the non EV drivers on here come across obsessed with rushed journeys, probably needing to get back home asap to post sh1t on Boards.ie on topics they have zero experience of.😀 Well done on ensuring that car reached its destination and ensuring it will continue to perfectly serve someone for the majority of their journeys. The environment thanks you.👋 Sounds like quite a relaxing day.



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