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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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  • #4772
    agoodusername
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭agoodusername


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122367054#Comment_122367054

    Your point about the Aer Lingus route reminds me of the fact that it's the real practical route for so much of that part of Europe. For getting to the NRW region in Germany, Belgium or even Luxembourg it's really the best option.

    I've used the CRL route and whilst handy and extremely affordable, you can be waiting a similar amount of time in a queue for the shuttle bus as the actual journey itself. Schiphol with the train station is just so much easier, that's before we even start talking about the airport layout and facilities.

    Overall, any sort of Aer Lingus route into one of the German airports, Brussels Zaventem and/or Luxembourg would be a great help to me, especially with the early flight out being impossible to reach from outside of the Netherlands in time.



  • #4773
    notAMember
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Does anyone know how the routes are decided on?

    Is it at the discretion of airlines, whatever they think will be profitable?

    Does the airport actively lobby for routes, or the city council lobby for routes, or Chamber of commerce? How does it work? Is there a review process or some data they review?



  • #4774
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122396544#Comment_122396544

    Totally the discretion of the airline. The airline is the one with the ultimate financial responsibilities.

    Airports can offer financial incentives to airlines, and busier airports have slot restrictions, after that it's pretty much the airlines discretion.

    One thing that doesn't achieve new routes is councillors talking waffle in news articles.



  • #4775
    Acosta
    Registered Users Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Sick to death of being delayed with Ryanair. Not the same airline they were before covid. We need new airlines in Cork.



  • #4776
    corkonion
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    some months ago Qatar were in talks with Cork airport as they are at capacity ex Dublin and cannot increase due to the flight cap. These talks seem to have failed which is a great pity as a Middle Eastern airline opens up huge destinations.



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  • #4777
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Where did you hear that?



  • #4778
    Captain_Crash
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    I’d seriously doubt a 787 can take off from Corks runway anyway so no idea how they could operate out of there, and the 78 is the smallest aircraft that have with the range to do DOH-ORK



  • #4779
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122429909#Comment_122429909

    They have lots of 737 Max which are at least in theory in range. It’s about 1,000 km further than providence but it’s over land not an ocean which would help.



  • #4780
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122432639#Comment_122432639

    Actually forgot about the Max’s yeah. I’d still be dubious about range considering DY had issues using them with a lighter “lost cost” cabin, but it would be great to see.



  • #4781
    thomil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭thomil


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122432659#Comment_122432659

    From my understanding, Norwegian mainly had the issues with the regular 737-800, which they used in the beginning because of delivery problems for the Max8. The Max8 that took me to Providence and back all the way back in 2018 certainly didn’t have any blocked-off rows, just three seats at the front and back reserved for crew rest.

    Doha would be a tight squeeze with regards to distance though. From what I can see, the great circle route would work out well enough at 5800 kilometres, which is well within the Max8’s maximum range of 6690 kilometres. Real life flight plans could really bite into that though, especially when it comes to avoiding the likes of Syria or Iraq.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • #4782
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    @thomil ah right, I’m not too clued in on the 73M’s so wasn’t sure. I think we both agree in theory they have the range but, in real life it’s a different story?

    Just had a look at some performance graphs and it looks like the runway is just long enough for a 73M at MTOW, so I’ll conclude it won’t realistically make it to DOH, so any QR route would either be payload limited or or have a tag-on. I’d love to be proven wrong but I just don’t see it as viable, especially when DUB is up the road and they recently increased capacity there. Maybe this is why the supposed talks failed?!?

    Link to performance specifications:

    https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/737MAX_RevD.pdf



  • #4783
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Qatar were one of the airlines refused slots for Dublin this winter. If they wanted to add capacity to Ireland but felt the wide bodies couldn’t get enough pax at Shannon a 737 max to Cork may make sense. Would be interesting if the OP here added any more context.



  • #4784
    Captainsatnav
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122428244#Comment_122428244

    🤣....



  • #4785
    corkonion
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    Sorry, even though it was I that wrote the original post re Qatar, I don’t have a lot more info, a few months ago I was listening to a radio interview with some senior member of cork airport management and he said that they were in advanced talks with Qatar as they needed more capacity ex Ireland and there were no further slots available in Dublin , there wasn’t a lot more than that to it



  • #4786
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    how do you know the talks fell through?



  • #4787
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Qatar previously ran a Cardiff-Doha service, would it be an option to run Cork as an add on to that one? Cork-Cardiff-Doha

    Would be very attractive to Cork pax if it was a brief layover in Cardiff to refuel and take on additional pax/cargo. Would take a few hours off Cork-Aus/NZ with the long/stressful LHR layovers involved



  • #4788
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭kub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435188#Comment_122435188

    Then of course with a set up like that, the technicalities of a short haul flight are the objective rather than a long haul.



  • #4789
    corkonion
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    I don’t, but I’ve researched it thoroughly as I’m a member of Qatar privilege club, and found zero updates. So I’m assuming it fell through.

    Qatar don’t like to be tied to one aircraft type, and the cork airport member stated in that radio interview that the Boeing 737 max was the only suitable aircraft for this route.

    However if it had happened, I personally think it would have been a phenomenal success, opening up the entire east to Munster based flyers.

    The representative also stated that Cork-Dublin flights were being looked at and while won’t happen in the short term, he was confident that they would in the long term, he claimed (and I doubt this is correct) that Dublin is the 5th most connected airport in Ireland, and as Irish travellers sights change to destinations beyond Europe, that a Cork Dublin connection would certainly be viable.



  • #4790
    TheBetsy
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭TheBetsy


    Some rumours circulating on Twitter that Aer Lingus Regional may be announcing a new route shortly. Anyone heard any more?



  • #4791
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466663#Comment_122466663

    The reddit leaker said Glasgow for the winter season was a done deal.



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  • #4792
    DylanQuestion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    From the Aer Lingus routes thread:

    "Sorry the commentary about cuts at ORK/SNN are non-sense, EI as of last week were advising current Dublin crew of transfer opportunities to Cork base from next April." - Jack1985



  • #4793
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/1825829896578306344?s=46

    Fantastic addition

    The old Stobart routes were wonderful before Covid, much as Ryanair have made up for some of them since.



  • #4794
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Thats a useful one, and acceptable timings too.



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