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Group patrolling the town

  • 18-07-2024 7:27pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭


    A protest group against migrants say they will start patrolling the town because of, they claim, migrants following people.

    Can anyone set up a patrol? . Isn't that the Gardai job? They don't say what they will do if they see people being followed.

    I am curious, not seeking advice, no connection with the protesters



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Could be just a walking club

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Concerned citizens patrolling a town is surely a good thing -

    will up the vigilance levels and maybe get the ngardeee shickaloney to up their game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,288 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    So are they just going to follow the migrants instead? Isn't that just called intimidation, stalking or racial profiling?

    Anyway, they can do what they like as a "walking club", but if it bleeds over to being a vigilante group then it's going to be dealt with differently by the Gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Anyone can walk around public areas.

    Anything else depends on what they do/are planning to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭Woodcutting


    I don't know. They didn't say what they would do if they saw migrants following people. I don't know even if the migrants are following people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭JVince


    "Concerned citizens"

    In the main, these are violent thugs with little education, mostly unemployed and almost always in social housing costing taxpayers tens of thousands every year.

    They contribute absolutely nothing to society and think violence is the answer to everything.

    I reality, they are just stupid thugs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    those concerned citizens at least do have a track record of patrolling towns to prevent women being harrassed by irish men too.

    at least, they must have. it's only logical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,516 ✭✭✭con747


    Thank god for the ignore option with the high horse brigade.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,809 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    People used to do this years back to get drug pushers out of areas. I remember guys standing around flaming barrels in Oldcourt in Bray back in the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    At least the drug pushers were actually doing something illegal!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Mad if true.

    Ah shur, we have international and moral obligations. Who cares if the fabric of society is breaking down so much people feel they have to resort to these type of tactics?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    They feel wrong.

    No one wants or need 'vigilantes ' deciding if d foreigners are breaking laws and doling out justice themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I think you need to start with the question:

    “What is a “patrol”?

    Then take it from there - walking around your neighbourhood is not against the law- you could organise a 24/7 “walk around your neighbourhood” club and it wouldn’t be illegal in any way - you could call it a “patrol” and it wouldn’t be illegal either.

    But start to outline or enact whilst on patrol the behaviours required of this patrol - depending on what those behaviours are , they could be illegal or lead to a criminal arrest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,973 ✭✭✭donegal_man


    How exactly do they define "migrants following people"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Exactly. If a "migrant" is walking home from the shop and there's Irish people who happen to be walking the same direction in front of him/her does that constitute "following" them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    don’t you need a tax clearance certificate and a Garda reference to join a vigilante group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,905 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    In the last couple of years there's been a lady knifed to death, a man run over by joyriders and killed, a tourist beaten into a coma, a tourist attacked with a machete, constant drug dealing, all within 20 mins walk of where I live now but the concerned locals only came out to protest and demand action when some foreigners were being moved into a disused building. Funny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    "We ve decided to start a community patrol in (area) . Theres been too many incidents regarding people been followed. We are looking to you as a mother,father,grandmother, grandfather, uncle, aunty to help us form a group and patrol the streets at different times and days. We will do a rota. So if interested in serving your community and helping to keep our families safe please pm us 👨‍👩‍👧‍👧 We asked other groups and it seems we need to register as a neighbourhood watch group with our local garda station so they can give us information and assign a member of the Gardaí to us if ever we needed assistance 💚. "

    This is what was posted on at least one FB page.

    From reading it. It doesn't sound like a walking group to me, considering it was posted on a" concerned citizens " page!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Wouldn't being a vigilante leave you unable to look for work and you'd lose your dole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I for one would join that patrol in my locality if it was set up and also it would be great to have a squad car accompanying us to give a sense of safety and make the ppl up to no good realise the patrol is vigilant to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Lol!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You think a patrol car would join a group of vigilantes?? You are living on a different planet.

    It's not up to vigilantes to decide law and punishment, and Gardai certainly don't appreciate groups of them causing trouble.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    A friend has shared with us some screenshots from his local neighborhood watch group and it's hilarious how paranoid people get. I suspect they're the sort of people who'd join foot patrols.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Its not a new thing,plenty of neighborhood watch group's around the country.

    Most of them were created to stop our own homegrown scum from attacking old people in rural areas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Christ almighty. It's not a huge jump between a community foot patrol and perhaps a more thuggish element carrying out Northern Ireland style punishment beatings against alleged offenders.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,031 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Join the Garda Reserve if you want. Is it still a thing?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    https://www.thejournal.ie/man-confronted-monasterevin-3414544-May2017/

    This is why we can't have vigilante rule (amongst thousands of other reasons).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,031 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    While I wouldn't have a problem in principle with a legitimate community watch type group. I suspect many of these "concerned citizens" are possibly of the type who start battering a random foreign looking fella and then decide to start screaming "he tried to take a child" for the TikTok video …………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Neighborhood watch, is a good thing.

    A 'anti migrant group' set up patrols because ' migrants are following people ' seems to be a very different creature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,031 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    oh look I know- I looked up online and found this - citizens patrol is a thing in America- believe it or not it’s a thing in China too where they report other citizens for the simplist thing like littering or bad parking, to the authorities- they’re basically neighbourhood spies - your every movement is reported back to the authorities

    I think we know in Ireland, the Gardai don’t like this type of vigilante group which is essentially what they’re doing here and personally I’m not a fan either- they’re the sort of group that would end up lynching a pediatrician.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_patrol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,809 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'd suggest getting a red head band and some fingerless leather gloves. Really complete the look.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    from the 'controversies' section on the guardian angels, this seems a little apt.

    "In February 2024, several members of the Guardian Angels shoved a man to the sidewalk and put him in a headlock during a live interview with Sliwa at Times Square.
    During the interview, which came a week after a widely-publicized brawl between several migrants and NYPD officers, Sliwa stated that the man was a migrant. He also stated that the man had been caught shoplifting.
    In a later segment, he added "[...] Let's just say we gave him a little pain compliance, his mother back in Venezuela felt the vibrations. He's sucking concrete, the cops scraped him off the asphalt[...]" The NYPD later said the man was actually a man from the Bronx, and they did not provide evidence of the man shoplifting. Sliwa told The Associated Press he believed the man was a migrant because he spoke Spanish and had been encountered with other Spanish speakers on patrols. The man was issued a summons for disorderly conduct.[29]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Concerned locals patrol is a difference concept to garda reserve. Due to other commitments I couldn’t sign up to the full garda reserve but yes I could take part in a few weekly patrols in the evenings.

    As for @suvigirl laughing at me saying it would be good to have a squad car with us, surely that is a good thing for ppl who are concerned the locals on patrol might go “rogue”???

    If we have the guards driving along with us flashing the lights it would increase our effectiveness.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    maybe the gardai have better things to spend their time on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    indeed- out guarding a “concerned citizens” patrol - the irony of course is that it’s the “concerned citizens” that will most likely break the law- not the imaginary people they are “hunting”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,809 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    The Gardaí will roll their eyes at such a request so hard it might actually cause the rest of them to spin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    oh no- not another Garda class action suit for damaged eyeballs whilst in the course of their duty 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    But if the Gardai are available to drive around accompanying this group on their patrol what is the need for the patrol seeing as the Gardai are obviously able to cover the patrol route?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭nachouser


    This Dad's Army stuff has to be a wind up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Depends on your opinion of what vigilantism is.

    Would you consider a neighbourhood watch a vigilante group?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,288 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Grouping these vigilantes under the neighbourhood watch banner was the Gardai's best and only move here as that's a predefined structure for engaging with regular Joe's. It assigns them a community Guard - who will probably only work the day-shift - and all other serious matters will need to be called in under the emergency system (999). That brings them into the fold of "Garda engagement", but keeps them suitably isolated at the same time.

    Then if there's an incident of intimidation or racism reported to the Gardai during one of these 'patrols', they can obtain the list of who was active on patrol at the time and scribble furious notes as they investigate with the benefit of knowledge. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    In most towns and villages there is no garda presence so communities are at breaking point from Traveller gangs/drug dealers etc so local groups forming to protect the community seems the only option , local TDs dont seem to be of any help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    This is a comment from you on the extending hours thread

    Sigh… we have already been through this but once again…

    AGS don’t have the resources to police the streets 24/7.

    So you now want the same under resourced Garda to help you lot be racist "concerned citizens"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    They're stalking them because they don't like other people coming in and having access to (or sharing) all the same free housing and social welfare benefits which they've been hogging all their lazy lives . .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Ah sorry, are you trying to make me actually wet myself laughing?? Patrol cars with blues lights flashing for your vigilante mob? ,😂😂

    The Garda reserve is literally a few hours a week, you think you could join a vigilante group, but not the Garda reserve? Yeah I think we can see exactly what you want to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Beechwood in his minivan battering anyone who didn't help him get Taylor Swift tickets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,783 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are the group claiming that migrants are following others with intent to harm? If people, migrants or otherwise, are following other people with the intent to cause harm or distress then nothing wrong with keeping a vigilant eye out.

    They would need to be very careful and have documented evidence, preferably video, of any wrongdoing before intervening in anything as they could very easily get labelled a racist group otherwise



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'nothing wrong'? how about you're a newcomer to the town, or just from outside ireland. would you feel comfortable going about your business in that town, knowing there's a group of people out and about who have taken it upon themselves to protect the town from immigrants?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    I can just see it now - 'Judge, but they were foreign looking in a white HiAce van'.



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