World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Files

Your smugness will prove your undoing.

Without the transphobic agenda driving Tory policy the government will ask the experts in the field and NHS policy will fall into line with what the relevant consultants advise. Since not even Dr Cass advocated a puberty blocker ban you will see this fall quietly when the research projects come on line. This is what I have predicted all along.

Here's a few quotes from people put on puberty blockers who later went on to detransition. It's a horror show and it will all come crashing down very soon when more and more individuals speak out. This is what you are advocating for under the guise of "being kind". I don't know how anyone can justify creating stunted child like adults who will never be able to reach their full potential, physically or mentally

Because of puberty blockers(started before natural Puberty) my penis and testicles never developed the proper growth (they actually shrunk substantially and irreversibly from childlike to full on infant like) yes I want to die just typing out this painful truth. Because I was never exposed to my body’s natural hormones and instead put on synthetic cross sex hormones soon after blockers. When I was 18 and started the process to get a vaginoplasty, I was told that I simply didn’t have the anatomy needed to create a neovagina because my puberty was stopped and I never gave my body the chance to fully grow.

I basically have a micro penis and testicles and do not have enough “material” to do anything reasonable with it. I was told they could give me a neovagina but it would only be aesthetic. I would have effectively ZERO vaginal depth, I’d be lucky if they could even make it look like there was an “entry”. I saw two different surgeons in two different states for a second opinion. One said I could basically have a Barbie vagina, it would look aesthetically pleasing but never be functional. I also have never and will NEVER achieve orgasm.

This is an incredibly HARD and embarrassing and awful thing to explain but it’s the truth and I find it important to tell all the ugly parts

now have to live with the body I destroyed forever. I will never go through my full female puberty. I will never experience my teenage years as a girl and I will forever be harmed by a choice I should NEVER have been allowed to make. I just don't know if I can live with it and it haunts me every waking moment

My transition was different than most in that I was put on hormone blockers when I was very young, right as I started puberty (11?), and then female hormones at age 14.

As you can imagine, for someone on this subreddit, the results are devastating.

I certainly appear different than most men my age. Due to the hormone blockers, I never developed past tanner stage 2. As a younger teen, my body was hairless and I had no sexual desires at all. As an adult now, I'm 5'3". My genitals are extremely underdeveloped, I grew breasts, I wear a men's size 5 shoe, etc...

I've come to terms with the idea of being male itself, and detransitioning, but the problem is doing it while looking the way I do now.

This has not happened yet because the experiment protocol has not yet been decided. I predicted and continue to predict that when the protocol is decided more people will receive puberty blockers in order to establish a robust statistical analysis.

The prescription of puberty blockers under the NHS is so rare that a robust data set would not be possible otherwise. Also since treatment for transgender children is been expanded more children will be offered membership of the experimental program.

Puberty blockers are the horror story you tell to frighten old ladies.

The more I learn about all this, the more distressing it is. So many things don't occur to me until they're explained, and then the implications sink in. For instance, an adult male who has his testicles removed is still left with adult male bones, muscles and organs which need an adult male level of testosterone to function. It's one thing to administer supplements to correct a deficiency in a sick body, quite another to deliberately create that deficiency in a healthy body.

Most of the noise is from a trans activist on the BMA board, who is a former trade unionist and a complete political appointment.

The chairman has a pair of pride braces in his profile photo, so the chances of a non science based decision aren't zero.

Following on from the Cass report with the adults in the room watching including their insurers one would be hopefully of a reasoned decision based on the best scientific evidence available being made.

Exactly. And the detrimental effects of high testosterone levels in female bodies are well known. It's not a decision that should be made lightly and certainly not as a child

How about you tell us what the issues are, in a scientific manner?

The very first paragraph of the BBC article says ….. "British Medical Association (BMA) leaders have met to discuss the approach being taken to children and young people struggling with their gender identity."

And there you have it, discussing how to medicalise a "gender identity" which isn't even a provable thing, for there are no blood tests to prove that your gender is anything other than the one you were born with. A gender (identity) is a frame of mind, its a cloak or a dress you put on, a persona that you portray to yourself and others (which is fine, no problem with that), each to their own …..

I don't however agree with giving drugs to physically healthy kids (to block their puberty) as these kids need no medical physical intetvention whatsoever! so I stand with Wes Streeting & Rosie Duffield 100% on this.

Cass must be applied and implemented across the board without question.

The release of the WPATH files and the Cass review are very powerful tools in our fight against a (very powerful) yet non scientific ideology based on feelings and thoughts of identity outside reality.

"My daughter says she feels like a boy", right, give her puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones, then at sixteen a double mastectomy, and you're nearly home!

It's like we're fighting something akin to a sinister religious belief system.

For all those champions of the Cass Report please tell me where she recommended the banning of puberty blockers. Here's a clue she never did, and even clarified here position of supporting them where the clinician considered them necessary. She recommended a detailed clinical trial by the NHS to improve the clinical evidence for their use - which as I said cannot happen if a ban is in place. So in brief Cass is not a supporter of this ban and the BMA is correct to highlight that this is not a clinically sound decision and will harm patients.

There have been studies establish that it is less than 1%. No medical intervention comes without risks, but the risk of regret is relatively extremely rare in the field of medicine.

It's a false narrative of the hard right that regret is common.

So there's no ban then? What are the trans activists all complaining about?

(Again, you're showing your complete lack of understanding of clinical trials with the nonsense about "delayed indefinitely" and "dishonesty".)

And could you explain why on earth you think Wes Streeting, who only 2 years ago was saying that "trans women are women" would now be delaying what you think are life saving treatments for "dishonest" reasons? What can possibly have changed his mind to that extent - while being "dishonest" rather than simply convinced that he was wrong before?

Are the hard right in the room with us right now?

Wes Streetly is playing the political wind. He knows that by continuing the ban he plays to people like you - but he also knows that ultimately the treatments will go ahead under the auspices of clinical trials, or in the highly likely case that the ban is declared illegal. He's doing a rather easy bit of grandstanding like a typical politician, an easy win which suits him by not having to take an actual real stand for principle.

Undoubtedly. Their narrative has been adopted by the transphobes wholesale.

Its really really hard for the right to find enough regretting patients to drum up their hysteria - which is why it has largely fallen flat and gained zero traction outside of the target demographic who needed no convincing anyway.

You don't seem to understand the difference between the BMA and the GMC. You are 100% factually incorrect to assert that the BMA is not a Trade union. The BMA is directly equivalent to SIPTU.

This is what the BMA have to say about themselves on their "About Us" page of their website…

The British Medical Association (BMA) is the trade union and professional body for doctors in the UK.

Couldn't be much clearer than that.

The same assessment procedure that has been applied up this time which filtered out 85% of presentations to Tavistock as needing no medical intervention will be applied. You may not accept the clinical expertise of the consultants to make clinical assessments but that not material really.

And of course, is Wes Streeting, who was previously employed by Stonewall as their Education officer, far right?

So your argument is that Streeting was correct and honest when he said trans women are women, but for some unfathomable reason that is becoming an untenable position to hold (why??) and therefore he is now changing - for purely political reasons? But that he still secretly believes that trans women are women and that children will actually die if he does what he has said he will do?

You don't see a problem with that reading of the timeline?? Not least the horrifying deliberate decision to cause harm for his own career - as well as there being no explanation for why public opinion would be changing in that way if that approach were actually making life better for everyone.

Because the alternative reading is: some years back, when there was a lot less awareness of the whole question among the general public, Streeting and the Labour Party generally took on a clearly nonsensical view because the activists around him that it was the right thing to do, so he decided, for political reasons, that it was better to go with the flow? Only since then, more information has come out as more and more children have been pushed onto the transition pathway, and now it has become much harder to continue ignoring reality - especially since the Cass report?

If there's a flaw in that reading of events, please do tell me - but with evidence rather than your usual unevidenced assertions.

LOL

Still no evidence then?

Ah heyoor, with your facts...

I don’t know if there was any discussion on here about Jolyon Maugham’s (of The Good Law Project) claim to have data proving that the ban on puberty blockers had already caused a massive increase in suicides among young trans people, but he’s just received a massive public slapdown on that from Wes Streeting the new Labour minister for health:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

Turns out it’s complete nonsense.

Unsurprisingly.

The specific aim is to examine evidence for a large rise in suicides claimed by campaigners.

Summary of conclusions

The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.

The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.

The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.

There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.

The report actually refers to the GLP and their irresponsible behaviour in making up these claims.