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Club raffles for all ireland tickets

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The vast majority of tickets should go to the counties involved.

    But the vast amount of tickets do go to the counties involved.

    58,000 of the 82,000 tickets go to the competing counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,232 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Season tickets are massively oversubscribed in some counties.

    It's utterly stupid making fans scour the country for tickets and to be honest I have limited sympathy for volunteers or whatever from the lower counties. Maybe they should actually start going to see their own counties if they want to see some hurling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭threeball


    I read somewhere the other day that Clare and Cork were getting 16,000 each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    No, 58,000 is the number of tickets that go to all counties. 32k have gone to clare and cork this year and there's talks that a few thousand more might be received today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭Shank Williams


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Season tickets are only fully subscribed in 3/4 counties. The majority of fans will get looked after from their own clubs - my club got over 100 tickets for the final which looked after most members who contribute to the club and/or go to most matches. I wouldn't agree with you and your opinion on hurling people in 'lower counties' but sure that's your own call! As I said previously, I go to the final most years and make no apologies to anyone for it. I'm sure plenty of them do go to their own counties matches cause, in fairness, you're not talking about massive numbers in this section of people.

    Cork, with it's massive population, does make it more difficult in fairness for all Cork supporters to get their hands on tickets, and by default Clare supporters, as there is extra people trying to source in other counties. From experience, I still think it's fair to say that, with a capacity of 82k, very few, if any, true supporter won't get a ticket for Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,878 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The figures in the newspaper appear to be from the GAA Annual Report for 2022. The 2023 Report has some different figures. 711 is listed in 2022 for "Ard Chomhairle & Iar Uachtarán 771", so that makes it more people than just ex Presidents. In 2023 that figure has gone up to 974. Maybe the tickets for politicians are included in the Premium & Corporate, which are not distributed?

    Page 109 here:

    https://online.fliphtml5.com/fhqhq/rxbl/index.html#p=110



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    You are a lesser supporter. If tickets are in short supply then you should get less importance.

    The season ticket does the business, but there are modest sales in many counties, even those with some chance of reaching the final.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    He said though 'if you are a true supporter'.

    That is completely wrong.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    I seen that too, funny thing is when the camera turns to peter to draw the first name he already has a piece of paper in his hand then puts his hand into the cup to take it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Fotish




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ethical


    ….at least one past president 'sold' his ticket(s) at a great/extortionate price,possibly many more do the same.

    …..what of the Mayo 'official' that always seemed to have tickets on the day in his inside pocket (for a fee!!!!!)….would make John Delaney, once of the FAI BLUSH!

    …always tickets 'available' to schools of the final teams.The person that trained a team 30 years ago for one season takes one and the other is raffled amongst the present day coaches………fair ?

    I think we are sh1tt1ng on the players, who at great expense,get sweet FA for their efforts,putting their lives and careers and indeed family/getting married etc on hold well into their mid/late thirties.

    Fundraising is difficult for clubs ……because some pay 'outside' coaches colossal money….BUT SURE WE ALL KNOW GAA COACHES DO NOT GET PAID!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If clubs were taking tickets from their allocation and raffling them I can see why GAA headquarters should get involved and put a stop to it, but if as you say, it is tickets gifted by members to raise funds to finance the club I really do not see the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Indeed, you could have a situation where the club would decide that the treasurer should get 4 tickets and he or she might then decide to donate three of them for a raffle, nothing to see there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    GAA do need to do something, it’s not right to be giving them to clubs/businesses who try to cash in on the desperation of fans from the competing counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You are implying that these tickets are not being paid for by calling them gifts or benefits in kind. Is that actually the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,232 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Practically all ticket sales or online now so they could run a points system to reward league attendees who can't get a season ticket. More points means first choice on All Ireland day like Liverpool do with the Champions League.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    A revamp of the season ticket could be a real Money spinner. Have 2 types, league and championshop. Cost of all league games except semi and final and championship round robin included in the overall price. If you dont attend, thats your our fault and then 2nd one is the championship round robin. All game paid for up front and you have to purchase addtional after that but with priority based on games attended. It would deff mean attendance is rewarded but also gaurantee revenue each year. If you dont book you seat/ticket by the wed of the game, it goes back from resale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,232 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What's really stupid is the lack of a home only season ticket or a terrace season ticket. The likes of Limerick and Cork have caps on season tickets based on the seating capacity of the smaller venues in Munster but could sell way more.

    At least the GAA brought out the 3 or 5 match league package this year which was a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    Maybe the county boards could look after there own season ticket offerings and some sort of revenue drive from it, maybe a % of overall sales. I think there's a real opportunity there with the right offering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tickets are allocated to county boards and then distributed to the clubs. I have never come across a club whose tickets exceed the number of members so for a club to do what you suggest would be very quickly known and war would ensue. I have no doubt that what you suggest likely happens at county level, but that is a whole different matter where GAA headquarters is concerned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Can anyone remember when you just had to drive up to Phelim Murphy's house and ask at the front door? (On a specific day)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The present arrangement favours some counties more than others. Kerry is far from everywhere, their away games could be more than 400Km away. But Tyrone will have league games this year with Donegal, Derry and Armagh and have had Monaghan in recent years, and these away games are quite accessible. Monaghan is now in a division with Down, Louth,Meath and Cavan, it takes less time from Inniskeen to Newry or any Louth venue than to go to Clones and Cavan or Navan are only 10 minutes longer. If you are in Dublin then you have a good road to everywhere and a train in many cases.

    The present situation is a bit of a mess, ticket distribution does not involve clubs until the final. Clubs are rightly entitled to tickets for their workers, but beyond that number ticket distribution for the general fan should take account of previous attendance, which is now recorded owing to internet purchase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Stacks of tickets on the bed and the cash flowing. Need 2 ask for 4 and there was the whole "Ara lookit I don't have 4 but put them two in your pocket and stay quiet"

    Blank cheque into Aras na nGael on Dominick Street was another one.

    Post edited by Happyilylost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That was in the days before tickets were allocated to the clubs based on their number of members, and didn`t he get a concrete block thrown through his front window by a disgruntled seeker of a ticket ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,878 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ticket touts could consider it worthwhile to buy tickets for whatever number of games would qualify them for an AI ticket. They would not have to go to the games, if they bought them online. They might even invest in a Season Ticket. In the knowledge that they would have a ticket to profit from on the black market. Apart from that, it would be a lot of organisation contacting all the "genuine" people "entitled" to a ticket. And giving them enough time to decide whether they want the option to buy it. People could have died, or moved address.

    The only "mess" with the present system is caused by the law of Supply and Demand. The same way that English people travelled to Germany and paid thousands of pounds on the black market for their recent soccer game. Everyone knows a year ahead exactly how many tickets are being allocated to each category. No amount of manipulation will satisfy the demand if it exceeds 82,006.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Not really.

    Firstly, I would restrict admission to finals to people who are members and had been members since earlier in the year. It would be infeasible for touts to get membership in various counties who might qualify for the final. If some attendance at earlier games is required, then touts could buy tickets for every county, so there is not a problem.

    And there is no problem contacting people. You email them and tell them that they can login to their accounts in the next 2 days or whatever. If they miss out then they miss out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,878 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I don't have to be a member of anything to buy GAA tickets online. Club members already have a chance of getting a ticket under the present system. Making more people become members won't increase the number of tickets beyond 82,006.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    We're not concerned with increasing the number of tickets, which is quite a lot. We are concerned with directing tickets to people who did something other than go to the final.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    The vast majority of people there sunday will have got their ticket through a club and are genuine supporters. It's still the best way of distributing tickets compared to other sports and based on the other options available. Not enough people avail of the season ticket either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    I agree, most genuine supporters end with with a ticket in the finish.

    The ST was a good idea but the GAA have made it less and less attractive over the years so I don't really blame people for not buying it tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Prior to the launch of the GAA season ticket counties had their own "ticket schemes" available.

    There was one in Kerry that guaranteed the option to buy a All Ireland final ticket if Kerry were involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Again though - a ‘true’ supporter

    That is such utter BS. Someone can be a die hard supporter and not go to every game. You don’t have to be in attendance to prove your worth as a supporter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    that’s horse **** , the more games you go to the better the level of supporter you are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Avon8


    Agree with this. I roll my eyes at the poor mouthing, there's plenty of avenues for people used to going to games to get tickets.

    But as you say, the season ticket isn't this golden model it once was to throw in the face of fans crying about tickets. The season ticket is now a complete shambles. Its completely obvious the GAA are trying to dissuade people from buying it

    It's terrible value compared to before, there's no flexibility and very few perks. Worst of all by a mile is they removed the option to have you sat beside someone you know. Who wants to go to games to sit alone?

    I had a laugh to myself this year when they fixed the Galway Antrim hurling game in Leinster as the same day as the footballers played Derry in Salthill. If I had had both season tickets, as I had in 2018, i'd have been snookered. You're allowed 1 opt-out max, despite there being way more games than before and they're played off in a much more condensed timeframe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭celt262


    Same chat every year and it's unlikely to change buying a season ticket and going to games with it will guarantee a ticket.

    Everyone else get in line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    hahaha how. Supporters attending games is the main way to support their teams. The more games you attend the better supporter you are. It’s very simple stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭jack747


    I totally agree with this. Even putting the League aside, some people don't even make the majority of Championship games and you'll see them complaining about not getting a ticket. Surprising as it's not really that many games to have to attend in a year. Take Armagh for example, they played 8 times in Championship. You compare it to other sports and it isn't many games to follow your team.

    People who go to 1/2/3 games a year have no right to be complaining in my opinon. They should be happy to watch it at home like they chose to watch the majority of the games earlier in the year. The season ticket is a perfect way to guarantee a ticket to people who deserve it. I understand the season ticket cap is around 3.5k for the season ticket per county. I imagine there will be a surge in Season tickets in Armagh next year.

    Any people involved in their own club coaching, volunteering, playing etc in my experience always get sorted for these type of games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Avon8


    To give a simple example, i'd say a senior club player who goes to feck all games but plays with or competes against the players involved regularly, and helps increase the competitiveness of their club championship, is a better "supporter" of the county setup than someone who goes to league games.

    There a lot of ways you can support GAA in your county. Going to the county senior mens team's matches is one of them. One of the easier, more glamourous ones, if truth be told



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Agreed

    There are people who contribute to the county team beyond going to matches that are bigger fans of the team (in my opinion) than some who go.

    Unfortunately the cost, the lack of convenience and work can prevent people from going to matches.

    Interesting to see how many Waterford people go to their League matches next year in the lower tier. They’ll have very little ‘die hard’ fans sure according to the lads above 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭jack747


    If you are a Gaa man, you know well those genuine 'people who contribute to the county team beyond going to matches' will get sorted and rightly so. I actually agree that they should get sorted and in my opinion are on par with people who bother to go all the games.

    My main gripe is that people who don't Volunteer, Play, Coach etc or don't go to majority of the games have been whinging about not getting tickets the past week. As another poster said, everyone else, get in line.

    I'm a GAA man but I have to admit it has a huge bandwagon element to it that goes under the radar for some reason. I'd also say it doesn't get the same criticism or sneery comments that Irish Rugby/Irish Soccer at World Cup/Euros would get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    My points were nothing about people getting sorted. The original comment from someone else was complaining about fans that aren’t die hard getting tickets.

    I said it’s the exact same for every sport. People are still allowed be fringe fans and go to the big matches. That’s the reality of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,878 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    With Dublin not in the final, that should make the demand much lower. Just by dint of population. Also €100 for the ticket plus all the other expenses will exclude many in a time of a Cost of Living Crisis.

    But if it still turns out that there are more than 82,006 looking to go to the game, then some of them will have to lose out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    If going to watch the team play is so unimportant, why the desperation for All Ireland tickets then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Because it’s the biggest match of the year. How hard is that to understand?

    Fans of MMA mightn’t go to all events but might go to the ones that have a title fight.

    Fans of Ireland mightn’t go to Nations League matches but might want to go to a match that determines if they qualify for a Major tournament.

    It’s sport - people want to be there for the main event now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Yeah that's a bandwagoner, a well established concept.

    But the complete opposite of a dedicated fan.



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