Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

1464749515293

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Feel free to report my posts if you think i am gaslighting anyone…

    The Nazis flooded corporations with quotas, academia, media and culture with their ideology did they not, if anything, Trump is up against academic institutes, cultural entities, media and major corporations who all engage in DEI/ESG policies….including the Secret Service whose almost comical incompetence almost cost him his life just last Saturday!!!

    And Trump has one the nomination 3 times now, in each case, there isn't a hint of dishonesty in the process.

    In the same 3 Democratic nomination processes there's a stink!!!! But let me guess, there's nothing to see here!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Yeah, maybe there should be some tightening of gun control laws in the US when any loon can get his hands on a gun?

    Funny how that happens so often over there.

    Nice, now I can add "tHe dEmOcRaTs aRe tHe nAziS!!1!!" to my idiot bingo card, thanks.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    So, only people who disagree with you can be Nazis!!

    Are you denying the existence of DEI/ESG policies across corporations, media and academia? Its' happening in this country, so I'm not sure how anyone can deny the existence of an ideology that has penetrated corporations/media/culture and academia with any credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One could posit that that's two people who've had "Road to Damascus" conversions then in the past. As for Carlson, he doesn't seem to have gotten an improvement of his reputation with his comments in Australia and elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    I'm not a fan of enforced DEI etc but to link that practice to nazism is a reach. Also DEI is only one small part of ESG (if I'm understanding you that ESG is Environmental, Social and Governance?). In general ESG (or whatever you want to call corporate checks and balances) are in general a good thing. You can disagree with tenets of policy without throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    It's also possible to call out bad/poor/fringe policy and ideology without jumping straight to Trump and his far right maga ideology.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Just because they have been complaining for years doesn't mean the complaints have any merit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,278 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Amazing the way people equivocate on behalf of trump, in the guise of being an honest broker, but eventually when they argue enough, the reasons why reveal themselves. They let slip their own issues with immigration, racism or culture wars. Always seems to always be at the centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭golfball37


    I’d love to see Cal Thomas’s reaction to the RNC? Previous versions had put forward Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan .

    The other night we had Hulk Hogan ripping off a T shirt !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    He is an absolute fraud. Spews lies at a rate of knots and Matt tries and fails miserably to correct him.

    Reminds me of that other American George Hook used to have on. His views were absolutely outrageous.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,979 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Rewatching his speech at the RNC…a 90 minute ramble on absolutely nothing. Him talking about AI and how it needs twice as much electricity that the country has to operate…what????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I don't get it, are you suggesting Glenn Beck is behind the DEI idology that is being pushed across Government, Corporations, Media, Academia and Culture? Or are you suggesting that Glenn Beck is suggesting that George Soros is behind it…because it is definitely happening, we can all see that….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,187 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I agree with you it is a strect to compare DEI with Nazism.

    But we do agree, that the Nazis did impose quotas cross corporations and pushed their ideology through academia, media and culture? We can agree on that surely? (My point being that the Nazis increased the size of Government and used media and culture to achieve that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I think it is the Irish Government in our case. And The US Governments in the case of the US. Do you think it's Soros?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    The centre of the issue is between the ears but for different reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah yes, the Nazis who were famous for increasing diversity in the workplace and recognising systemic inequalities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It's a big problem. And they are generating that electricity with windmills! Won't somebody please think of the poor whales being killed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Maxface


    Just some alternative facts. A fine character of a man, and truly amazing that he has so many followers.

    Organised and led a plot to have fake votes created and then used to make him President despite losing the election

    …. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Lost the election.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Sent an armed angry mob to Congress and told them they need to fight like hell.

    …. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Approved of the mob saying “hang Mike Pence”.

    …. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Was found liable for sexual assault.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Was found guilty of defrauding his university students.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Was found guilty of inflating his assets to get favourable loans.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Admitted to walking in on minor pageant contestants dressing rooms.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Stole from a kid's cancer charity.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Received $413 million inheritance, despite claims that he’s a self-made man.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Blocked his chronically ill infant nephew from getting any of that inheritance.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Is the first president to receive votes against him from his own party during impeachment.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Said the Democrats do better with the economy.

    … . ⁠⁠⁠⁠Was ranked as the worst president in history by presidential historians.

    …. ⁠⁠⁠Ordered republicans to block a bipartisan immigration bill, so Biden would not get a win before the election.

    ….. ⁠⁠⁠Is a convicted felon guilty of falsifying records to influence an election.

    Found that on Reddit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ah, is that the fault of the American Educational system which Trump has strong "American Values" feelings about, a case of too much knowledge in his head swamping his mental ability to understand what he is reading and hearing?

    He did go to the New York Military Academy, a boarding school, where he was captain of the baseball team. Incidentally, would his bone spur problem [which kept him out of serving in the US Military] not have been a disability for any member of a baseball team seeing as it is an athletic sport?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Imagine the level of baseball that would have been reached had it not been for those bone spurs. Many people say I would have been the best baseball player ever. Better than Babe Ruth. You gotta have a big brain to be a good baseball player. A stable one. Stable genius if you will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Well, none of need history lessons, we know the Nazis spent 10 years vilifying Jewish people through their control of media outlets, and sytematically stripping them of their rights, removing them from their earned positions in corporations, business, academia, media and culture…they then orchestrated an attack on Government buildings and blamed their political rivals which allowed them to tighten their control of the German Democracy, but of course, we all know that.

    By the way, I don't believe that the Democrats, or the Republicans are Nazis, I simply believe that their political system has been corrupted by corporations for decades and needs a good clean gutting on both sides. Who knows, we might live to see an end to pointless wars that only cause death and destruction to ordinary people.

    And for what it is worth, I also understand the view of people who think completely different to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Here is Trump echoing the language of the Nazis, talking about his political opponents as vermin and pledging to "root them out".

    How is that not villifying them?

    How is that not "removing them from their earned positions"?

    Trump tried to steal an election to circumvent American Democracy, but of course, we all know that.

    He then orchestrated an attack on Government buildings, but of course, we all know that.

    Ironic Trump talking about fascists while invoking their language.
    The fascists are in the mirror.

    He invokes the language of the Nazis, not to describe Jews, but to describe immigrants.

    First the Nazis came for the Communists…

    "We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,"

    https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213746885/trump-vermin-hitler-immigration-authoritarian-republican-primary

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    And there you go, I can honestly appreciate why you hold that view of Trump, and don't think any less of you for it and you are right Trumps language especially the use of the term vermin is a disgrace, he played his own part in the assasination attempt last week in my view. Id much prefer that he was more polished, less erratic, less confrontational, the guy can't go two sentences without complimenting himself to the point where it's comical. But the US has 3 choices in November that may very well decide whether we see WW3 in the coming years and the only thing I am 100% sure of is that Biden is not the man who will see us avoid that war, the Americans know this better than any of us, and you can see what way they are going even if you dont want to admit it!!

    Whereas you think I am all kids of stupid/mysodginst/racist/homophobe/anti vax/deplorable….almost like vermin, in fact I do recall the NYT publishing a picture of Republican Senators as rats. So lets not pretend only one side is behaving dangerously when it comes to language and rhetoric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "I simply believe that their political system has been corrupted by corporations for decades and needs a good clean gutting on both sides"

    AKA Drain the swamp, AKA Trump's message.

    Anyone who thinks that 45 was interested in doing this is utterly, utterly delusional.

    He is one of the most corrupt presidents ever. Shamelessly so.

    The fact that you or anyone else, goes to bat for him is beyond understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,828 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    So just for clarity, are you suggesting that Trump is the leader to do the cleansing?

    Ignoring the 'good people on both sides' argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Well, if Bernie Sanders had been allowed to take on Trump in 2016 or 2020 perhaps all this could have been avoided, I'd have voted for him, he'd have wiped the floor with Trump and he would been able to last two terms easily ….but the leaders of the Democratic party went a different way, the same leaders who have led the party into the disarray we see today….they've dug their own graves, it's the people who have defended these people are the people I feel sorry for, the real deplorable are the influencers in the media in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think there is more chance of WW3 with Trump in the White House, giving dog whistles to dictators that they can attack US allies if Trump thinks they "haven't paid their bills". And if Trump tries to 'reward' or 'appease' illegal invasions by dictators with territory and concessions etc. I can think of nothing more likely to lead to more conflict.

    And I say that over any Biden, Harris or any Democrat who would be consistent with usual US policy on this.

    Similarly I think under Trump US foreign policy could be manipulated not by US national interest or economic interests but the economic interests of the Trump family.

    And lets not pretend there is any real equivalence between the levels of "behaving dangerously" when it comes to language and rhetoric. For every one instance from the Democrats, we can point to ten, far worse by Republicans, since Tea Party \ MAGA \ Trump Republicans came onto the scene.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Why do so many of Trumps ex-staff say he's unsuitable to be president?

    Why do so many of Trumps ex-staff not support him this time around?

    If you're looking to hire someone, don't you look for references?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I honestly can't say.

    Maybe it's RFK, maybe Sanders would have been the man…but we are stuck with Trump, who should have been dead and buried two years ago….until the FBI raided his home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "I honestly can't say."

    Yes you can. You absolutely can.

    You won't.

    That's the truth of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Thats a very legitimate point, and perhaps you are right.

    But I also saw him win nearly 10 million more votes in 2020 than he won in 2016, and I can see him win even more in 2024, he'll be the most voted for President in US history come November…I trust ordinary people more than I trust media or ex staff members.

    And who knows, perhaps I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Is this an interrogation or a discussion…you do realise anything we say here to each other is completely meaningless right, we can change nothing!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I try to be honest about my posts. It isn't a bad standard to aspire to when discussing matters on here.

    A poster made a good point, one which you acknowledged as such.

    He asked why people who worked with Trump won't endorse him. You said you "couldn't say". Yes you can. They said why. They ALL said why.

    Trying to be fair and truthful about comments is important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Can you explain to me why he will become the most voted for politician in US history come November (given his vote in 2016, 2020, 2024) without insulting the people who voted for him? He has won the nomination 3 times, he will have run for President 3 times.

    I do think he can be a divisive character, I can only imagine what working for him is like.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,828 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You say that its corporations and billionairs that have created the conditions in the US, but you can't decide whether the guy who has literally offered to sell himself to those billionairs, and offered inducements of lower employment and product standards to the corporations is the one to sort the problems?

    And 'we' are not stuck with Trump, yet. If enough people can be convinced that he is a venal, corrupt, dangerous waste of space there is still hope that the US can be nudged back on track to being a 1st world country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I will give you a straight answer, but first you do not know that he will become the most voted for president of all time. I've noticed about some posts that people speak with such certainty. No one knows. Absolutely no one. Poles have been and continue to be wrong. Otherwise I would remortgage my house and head down to Paddy Power.

    There are multiple reasons why he was voted for, most of which are that people believe that he will make their lives better, be it through the economy, immigration whatever. That's their belief. I don't share it, as I have seen what he has done when he had the house, senate and WH.

    Re working for him - may be a divisive character? He nearly got Pence killed ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭Maxface


    An interesting read if anyone needed reminding what this man actually is and stands for…

    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    A massive fraud. You can tell he doesn't believe half the nonsense and bothsidesing he goes on with. The reality is he's getting a nice cheque in the post monthly from Bauer Media and in order to keep getting that cheque he has to give the counter narrative to the plain facts and common sense from Marion McKeone et al. I don't know how long Cal Thomas has been doing this grift on Irish radio, but it feels like a lifetime. I'm almost sure he was talking to Matt Cooper on the same show 25 years ago when I was commuting to college with a small FM radio in my pocket.

    I'm absolutely sick of this rubbish in our media. If the Americans want to legitimize fascism and give endless passes to Trump and his cronies as they dismantle the state, let them at it. But at this point, in our media, I just want to hear from people with no agenda. Eamon Dunphy had a few of these characters on The Stand, and fair play to him, he got shot of the lot of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    This whole thread is an example of america..

    Surely he's a cnut…

    no.. here's why..

    but he's a rapist and a felon..

    no, here's why…

    i'm so tired of it.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,828 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics/donald-trump-zelensky-phone-call-2024/index.html

    Am I confused about this? I had a notion that it was illegal in the US for an ordinary citizen to have discussions with foreign leaders /representatives on matters relating to the state? I could be wrong but I thought I had come across this situation before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭golfball37


    You haven’t heard Cal Thomas in the past 8 years if that’s your characterisation of him. He has no time for Trump whatsoever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It is a violation I believe of the Logan Act, one of dozens of transgressions that have yet to be acted on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Michael Graham.

    Love this bit of Miggly D taking him to the cleaners, just listen until the end as the points he makes then are very relevant today



  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It's always the same. I need to print a bingo card:

    Both sides! Democrats are the Nazis! I'm not a Trump supporter, but! We were better off four years ago! Sure he didn't mean it like that ! He never said that! He's not a rapist! He's not a racist! Well, he didn't call *all* Mexicans rapists and drug-dealers! Biden is old! Biden wears diapers! No, it's totally different with Trump! Those wimminfolk and gays have enough rights already! Something, something woke! Something, something murdering babies! Something, something Jesus! 'Murica!

    They just repeat the same old tired nonsense over and over and over again. It's just to create noise in the debate and turn serious debaters off so they'll leave the thread. It's just flooding the zone with sh1t.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Well considering this is the Donald Trump thread, if anyone wishes to discuss Donald Trumps strategy the other evening and his 90 minute “speech” and whether it was a clever or dumb move I’m more than willing to engage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    That would be 90 minutes of my life I'll never get back, you couldn't pay me to watch him speak for 5 minutes. Anything he says is just verbal diarrhoea.

    It's the equivalent of one guy distracting you while the other guy steals your wallet. Whilst Trump spews bulls1t, we'd want to watch what's happening around him coughProject2025cough.

    Whatever comes out of Trump's mouth is of zero importance or interest.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,828 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The only slight consolation is that towards the end - I saw bits of it - the camera panned across the audience and the audience looked bemused and bored, and completely switched off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He lied his ass off for the whole speech about the economy, crime, immigration etc
    Well, it would have been pretty dumb to be honest wouldn't it?

    Why bother with the truth and the reality when you can rile up your base with lies?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/trump-rnc-fact-check

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Advertisement
Advertisement