Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

You keep saying “you lot” 😂 one person gave a suggestion

Similar to the left wing calling someone right wing if the don’t like what the left wing have to say.

Thanks for confirming what you think.

To all rational, reasonable posters - let it sink in what's being called for:

The removal of all security measures in airports/ferry ports around the world for any passenger who utters the word 'asylum' at any boarding gate; the intentional removal of basic passenger checks on mainstream airlines and ferries. A literal free-for-all.

By implication, anyone who believes in such an approach would also logically believe in waiving ticket charges for these passengers too. This would be funded by the Irish people I suppose.

So the next time one of these people tell you there's no open border brigade, here's your reference.

Well said Pal.

Given that Keir Starmer has now declared Project Rwanda dead, perhaps we can start sending the Asylum Seekers that rocked up here from the UK back there then

they are inside in town oconnell st. protest instead

It is literally importing armies. I find it difficult to keep my children occupied even with all their gadgets. Hundreds of men in each of these areas, when they don't get their own door accommodation as ridiculously promised by a delusional ROG, are not going to be happy.

Genuine asylum seekers are one thing, but the majority of these men would've been better off staying in their country of origin, or perhaps one of those they passed through to get here.

I know we're a liberal society and men go with men women go with women etc....to each their own have at it.....but and forgive me for assuming the sexual orientation of the majority of these guys, for the bus loads of men being brought into communities, should there not be bus loads of women? It's been said to death that we don't see anywhere near the number of women and children presenting as we do the number of men.

Bar a bit of Netflix and maybe checking out a few of our lovely parks and museums, how exactly are these guys going to keep themselves "occupied"?

Gender equality, and we love a bit of that in this country, doesn't seem to apply in this case. Why?

Speaking of Nigeria, my local TD asked a Parliamentary question (Spoiler alert a nothingburger of a response)

QUESTION

To ask the Minister for Justice the rationale for not adding Nigeria and Pakistan to Ireland's safe countries list, given that both countries appear to meet the Government's definition of a safe country, that is, a country generally free from persecution, torture, inhuman or degrading treatment, and threats of violence from armed conflict; and if she will make a statement on the matter.

REPLY

Under the International Protection Act the Minister for Justice may make an order designating a country as a safe country of origin. A country may only be designated as a safe country of origin where satisfied it can be shown that there:

• is generally and consistently no persecution;
• no torture or inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment; and
• no threat by reason of indiscriminate violence in situations of international or internal armed conflict.

A country that has been designated under section 72 as a safe country of origin shall, for the purposes of the assessment of an application for international protection, be considered to be a safe country of origin in relation to a particular applicant only where-

?(a) the country is the country of origin of the applicant, and
?(b) the applicant has not submitted any serious grounds for considering the country not to be a safe country of origin in his or her particular circumstances and in terms of his or her eligibility for international protection.

There are now fifteen countries designated as safe countries of origin: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Georgia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Serbia, South Africa, Botswana, Algeria, Brazil, Egypt, India, Malawi and Morocco.?The latter five I added on the 3rd July 2024.

I have also extended prioritisation and accelerated processing of international protection applications beyond safe countries of origin to applications from the country of origin with the highest number of applications. International protection applicants from the country which has had the highest number coming to Ireland over the previous three months, will go into the accelerated process.

Under this process, they will have their cases decided upon within 90 days. At the moment, the country whose citizens will qualify for this faster processing, is Nigeria. The top country over the past three months will be assessed on a rolling basis every quarter. Applications from Nigeria have almost halved since it was added to the accelerated process on this basis in April.

Additionally, following approval of the Houses of the Oireachtas last month, new legislation will now be drafted to implement the EU Asylum and Migration Pact.

The new Pact builds on existing safe country of origin, safe country of asylum and safe third country concepts, providing further guidance into their application throughout the EU. Specifically, the Pact regulates the concept of effective protection, and will introduce a common safe third countries and safe countries of origin lists at EU level, which will help to streamline and harmonise the application of the safe country concepts across the EU.

The Pact also introduces mandatory border procedures for certain categories of applicants, including applicants who are from a country of origin with a recognition rate of less than 20%. The Pact introduces an accelerated processing procedure for applicants who pose a security risk, who mislead the authorities, or who are coming from countries with a low recognition rate.

I can inform the Deputy that in making the assessment to designate a country as safe, it was considered, among other things, the extent to which protection is provided against persecution or mistreatment by:

• The relevant laws and regulations of the country and the manner in which they are applied.
• The observance of the rights and freedoms laid down in specified European and International Conventions.
• Respect for the principle of non-refoulement in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
• Provision for a system of effective remedies against violation of those rights and freedoms.

The assessment was based on a range of sources of information, including from other EU Member States, the European Union Agency for Asylum (EUAA), the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the Council of Europe and other international organisations as? appropriate.? My Department also seeks submissions from? the Department of Foreign Affairs, UNHCR, the Irish Refugee Council and other NGOS in relation to the proposed designation of a country as safe.?

I keep the list of safe countries under review having regard to the profile of applications being received.

Problem for any elected representative is that there are clearly right wing / far right elements involved in the Coolock protests. Any local TD would need their head examined before turning up at one of these protests to show support…..the crowd last night were addressed by Malachy Steenson and they clearly have a huge issue with the Gardai.

Are TDs not meant to serve all the people left, right and in between?

We discussed this particular view on the other thread .

This is your opinion of what happened which you are entitled to but it is not the facts of what happened

. Just want to make that clear .

Fact is information was given to all community leaders and not just one group as you have claimed , and a meeting with community engagement should have happened before the work was set to start .Maybe it didn't happen because many of the local reps were busy with elections , maybe it was as you say .

Fact is that very important community meeting did not happen .

The rest is opinion and theory .

It's the fault of the government who don't have the balls to say , we don't have the room , we can't take you in , you need to go home.

The country (and europe as a whole) has taken in far too many people, Ireland is 20% foreign born and has had a 60% increase in it's population in the last 30 years, we have done enough.

Politicians in Europe (all over ) need to come out and say Europe is overcrowded tough , we're not taking in any more.

There then needs to be a global action on the migrant crisis and instead of the solution being everyone can live in Europe they need to fix Africa and the Middle East so that those are good places to live and there is no need for emigration from there.Its not up to Europe to ruin itself because Africa and the Middle East can't appear to government itself effectively.

One of the best things about this country is it's low population density, we need to do everything we can to ensure this stays the way it is.

Didn't say they should "show support" but they should be there to work with the constituents who voted them into power, you know, do their jobs and build relations between the community and the Government/Gardai.. Otherwise as you say, people like Steenson will step into their place..

Did you ask the person who posted the stat on twitter if it was true?

Let's say there was a new political party estbalished tomorrow with several 'normal' and intelligent candidates (not opportunists gobdaws) and you were in charge of formulating the immigration policy.

What would be your top 5 policies?

For example

Migration Pact - In or out?

NI border - Hard or open?

Ukrainians - Remove Benefit of temporary protection?

IPAs - Detention centres - Yes or No?

etc etc.

Just your top 5.