Common sense for once? Straw incorporation to be suspended for this year?

No fool just common sense, Rushes on land is one common thing wet ground, try to dry rushes on wet land is not simple and as for bedding straw is the best for animal welfare, think I would rather lie down in straw than a bet of rushes,

Their is serious arguments going on here about a series of silly schemes that should never have come in and I'd like to know who advised the government to bring in any of these tillage schemes in the first place I farm good land and have tillage men and dairy farmers all around me who also choose to grow tillage and by the way these dairy men usually run out of silage and have to buy in more silage each winter if these schemes had not come in many new dairymen would not have sat tillage and they would have a lot more badly needed silage. Most long time tillage men are on large biss payment and imo are being heavily subsidised already so anyone that thought that it was or is a good idea to pay these lads 4 new per acre schemes to grow grain is living in a bubble also I don't see any tillage men allowing livestock farmers to spread slurry or fym on their land the usual excuse being I don't want my land compacted I know it happens in some parts of the country but not where I come from

I wonder could there be a new scheme. Straw for rushes. We get straw and they take rushes for chopping and the government pays them 12 million

How about this for an idea- whatever about the chopping scheme, the minister should come straight out and say no fodder subsidy scheme this winter either. Let people go back to farming on their own wits and own decisions instead of waiting around for the chance of a handout. Treat all sectors equally in this way

the answer to that is easy. 1) a deal is a deal

2) the majority of the stuff being. Chopped was oat, OSR and wheat straw

Scheme participants could have always opted feilds out if straw crops were good and/or demand is high.

This will hurt tillage farmers far more than it will benifit livestock farmers.

Can see the truck being put into reverse gear by Monday.

The term fu#kwit comes to mind.

.. https://m.independent.ie/farming/tillage/farmers-to-get-straw-chopping-payments-without-chopping-straw-amid-backlash/a753524075.html?s=08

IMO and dealing with tillage farmers that we buy winter/spring barley, oaten and wheaten straw from most only included their acres of OSR in the scheme.

Theres an argument in there for making the average farm more resilient and less dependent on outside inputs like it was back in the day. CAP reform would be an obvious starting point.

Yes x2

I'm doing wholecrop for the last few years and there is no issue with equipment as I pretty much treat it like haylage - currently growing Spring oats in a field that has not seen oats for 40 years and despite the weather I'm pleasantly surprised with how most of it is looking(should add I'm in the organic scheme since last year)

Despite 40 years of cubicles and lime, and going by standard annual dosing regimes espousing two winter treatments with a pour-on, the lice haven't gone away you know!

We never have a problem with lice and don't use pour-ons.

I would think comments like "dark ages" reflect a typical Irish insecurity and that there is still a stigma and embarrassment about even contemplating saving one's own bedding.

Another sign of poverty I suppose!

I don't mean to side track the thread but I remember children being mocked for "still" having brown bread in their lunch boxes.

It's not my fault your too thick to understand Tillage farmers can't really afford to grow primarilly feed grains anymore and provide straw for below cost. There's generally 1/3 difference in the gross margin for little extra cost just alot more attention to detail focusing on human consumption grade and growing the likes of hear osr rather than double low. Wb is struggling to hit 3.5t/ac and spring crops will be shyte without a huge increase in sun apart from if you scratched in beans before mid march.

I take it you reckon lads should go walk other peoples crops who's straw will return to their farm in the grandiose straw swap scheme of your or who other hair brained idea will you cook up?