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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Because I lived nearby in edenmore for the last 8 years and never heard a peep or saw any protests until now



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Oh right, follow the development and planning system for the North Dublin area in detail then do you? Or just because you resided on the northside of Dublin means you pick up your knowledge of the next few years of planning applications for fun then? I'm sure not even some of the local councillors in the area know as much as you claim to..



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do you normally expect to see announcements in the media regarding extra services when apartments are built, or only when IPAS centres open?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Announcements regarding dropping 500 to 1000 IPA's into an area isn't part of the standard planning process nor is it announced years in advance in the news so how would I know about IPAS centres opening exactly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭prunudo


    i hope you're right, because would give time to amend policy and correct things but I fear we are barrelling down the tracks like a runaway train a lot quicker than people realise.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The vast majority of people in new apartment developments would probably already have a doctor, dentist etc.

    500+ men from another country won't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭prunudo


    that because there is no plan, the government are like headless chickens and haven't thought it through. The countries infrastructure investment and implementation is painful slow and marred in delays and totally out of sync with population increases. Often objected too by the same people who claim we should welcome every asylum chancer with open arms.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    I think this sums up why we are where we are.

    The world would be a far better place without the Bleeding heart lefties



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭sekiro


    They aren't saying it in good faith. Actually they will work hard to avoid saying it's a good plan because it obviously is not.

    A feature of the Internet and platforms where people have discussions has always been that you will have a handful of people who, for whatever reason, get enjoyment from trying to paint others in a bad light. Implying, but not outright accusing, racism etc.

    500 single unemployed males stuck in a warehouse, being promised all the opportunities in the world while being provided with none, is obviously an absolutely terrible idea. Obviously. Regardless of race or religion or any other factor. Obviously.

    Some people are against it for racist reasons though and we can't be seen to be supporting that. Of course.

    With social media and the Internet in general, we've manged to create a huge problem something like turkeys voting for Xmas because they've heard that racists really hate Xmas.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I think we may be able to introduce ID cards. This could be linked to biometric details. All citizens and those lawfully here would be issued them.

    Guards could demand the production of said identity cards. Tourists would need to produce proof of hotel bookings or give the address of family members they are staying with. Those without would need to show them at a guarda station within three days.

    If they fail to show up guards could track them deport, imprison or even cane. I'm a big admirer of Singapore which actually issues caning for illegal immigrants. I certainly approve that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I don't recall seeing any T.D's being as vocal in their support of the people who elected them, according to videos on YT i've seen there's been no locally elected representatives down at Coolock trying to resolve the situation… This just feeds into the disconnect between those in power and the issues and people they're supposed to represent.. When no one is speaking up for you then it feeds into those encouraging violent protests..



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Mick like Paul Murphy is one of those who doesn’t believe in borders and everyone should be free to live wherever they want and be supported by their chosen country. Once you understand that you know what the open borders posters on this thread (3 in particular) believe i.e. there’s no point in trying to limit movement from Africa, Europe will just have to adjust



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    They havent, but they did attend a meeting when the DOI held a consultation and told them what was planned and they said nothing there either.

    SF should be all over this. It's an open goal and I'm starting to think they don't actually want to be in government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭prunudo


    its high time the politicians in these areas grew a back bone. They're afraid to be seen with the protesters for fear they'll be labelled or stigmatised by their parties and their buddies in the media. Whichever TD grasps the nettle and actually speaks out and speaks common sense will be rewarded in the polls. Unfortunately their cronies have told them to stay away and are too afraid to put their head above the parapet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭combat14


    according to the indo today - some coolock protestors are using provo tactics to split garda resources needed to tackle the illegal migrant protests hopefully this is not the case though there appears to be sadly calls on some social media channels to "blow it up" i.e. the crown paint factory so we could be facing an escalation in anti illegal migration sentiment if that were the case

    Indo:

    a person will call in a fabricated burglary or robbery, leading gardaí to rush away from the protest to the scene of the alleged crime,” a source said.

    “Once there, the officers will be confronted by a number of people – who have the potential to attack them – while others in the locality are calling in multiple other incidents described as ‘ordinary crime’ to divert gardaí from the actual protest. It’s an attempt to cause mayhem.

    “It’s all about dragging resources away from the area where the policing is needed most – it’s an old Provo (IRA) tactic from the Troubles in the North.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭prunudo


    or just lads using the noggin, but of course everything has to have a label or a spin put on it by the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    MLMCD has said that SF are a firmly left wing party, Eoin OBroin is a perfect example of it, so they definitely won't support protests of any sort outside an IPAS centre.. Again, all of this is creating a political vacuum where opportunist political figures can slip right into the frame and pretend they're representing the people…



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭giseva


    Carol Nolan forewarned the government in 2022 I believe, raising genuine concerns about their dysfunctional migrant policy and the apparent contempt for the communities effected, she was called all sorts of names as a result!

    Turns out she was right, though I don't think she has received an apology, or ever will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭giseva


    Turning up on a coastline and scrambling out of a boat is one thing and it isn't happening on our shores. People are country hopping, ripping up documents, and crossing the border up the north, or presenting themselves at passport control in Dublin Airport and saying "sorry pal, don't worry about that flight I've just come off, I've no passport and I'm fleeing persecution...oh and you'll have to take my word for it"

    Not sure if it's sinister forces at play, or just sheer government incompetence and fear that their EU masters might give out to them.

    People fleeing conflict and oppression should be helped where practical but passing through numerous safe countries to get here shouldn't be the most favourable option. But I understand why it is given our welfare system is so easily exploited. It's bad enough when Irish people spend their lives exploiting it, but let's make it worse by opening it up to whoever wants it.

    Our government should sort out our own country out before trying to save the world and everyone in it. And on recent events, how did they ever think putting a refugee center in the middle of Coolock of all places was ever going to be met with anything other than complete resistance?

    These people are our leaders, God help us!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Hilarious, you lot loose your s**t when AGS act with remarkable restraint enforcing the basis of law and order. Yet you want a police state!

    Then you want to protect 'our culture' while we become more like Singapore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,902 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'd love if the Government actually came out and explained their position on immigration. I certainly cannot understand why we are taking in such large numbers and why they are crossing through so many countries to get here.

    I am not against taking in a certain amount but undocumented people should not take precedence. I have a friend in Canada who works with the Immigration department and they have reps in these countries where the immigrants are coming from, filtering at the source and deciding who qualifies and who they take into Canada. Why can't Ireland do the same?

    I am also against the violence and I believe that there's a gouger element attaching itself to genuinely concerned groups.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Europe take millions and millions every year. Some are going to trickle through to Ireland where we speak English and have a strong economy. Now that we have international communities here they may have links here already.

    So of course some are going to pass through Germany and France and the UK to get here, many don't though and stay in these countries too. All wealthy countries with opportunities attract migrants one way or another, that's the nature of humanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭Quags


    You keep saying “you lot” 😂 one person gave a suggestion

    Similar to the left wing calling someone right wing if the don’t like what the left wing have to say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭giseva


    What is worse? What is the most damaging to this country?

    Is it the government allowing and actually promoting the increased intake of "asylum seekers"?

    Is it heavy handed AGS protecting the plantation of illegal (clue is in the name) immigrants into an area far removed from the top rung of society in terms of class and wealth, or the people of that area who rightfully object to what's happening and act out as a result?

    Maybe it's the actions of the protestors, or the fact people have the absolute nerve to object to serious changes in their communities. The cheek of them. Is that it?

    From the footage I've seen, it isn't the few eejits in the protests that get the brunt of the 'robust' policing, it's concerned residents, some senior citizens too. And what does it demonstrate to the really young children in this area who already may have a certain view of AGS when they see a man of 78 blasted with pepper spray? It creates further distrust and hatred for law enforcement and the government in these areas.

    That particular man was not a threat to anyone, not burning anything or throwing objects, his crime just being there protesting. I would say the people in these communities and their subsequent responses are far from the biggest issue!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭mistersifter


    Thanks for confirming what you think.

    To all rational, reasonable posters - let it sink in what's being called for:

    The removal of all security measures in airports/ferry ports around the world for any passenger who utters the word 'asylum' at any boarding gate; the intentional removal of basic passenger checks on mainstream airlines and ferries. A literal free-for-all.

    By implication, anyone who believes in such an approach would also logically believe in waiving ticket charges for these passengers too. This would be funded by the Irish people I suppose.

    So the next time one of these people tell you there's no open border brigade, here's your reference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    You're once again jumping to conclusions.

    Where did you get this idea about removal of airport security?

    Essentially I'm proposing we implement our border measures safetly here. Anyone who doesn't meet the criteria for entry to the state, whether for security reasons or other, would be refused entry.

    The point is to remove the dependency on traffickers as a failed deterrence policy. There's nothing 'open borders' about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭thinkabouit




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    There's no sign of the Garda helicopter over the skies of D5/D17 today.

    The protesters and rioters must be fairweather rioters and protesters.

    A deserved day off for the Public Order Unit.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Given that Keir Starmer has now declared Project Rwanda dead, perhaps we can start sending the Asylum Seekers that rocked up here from the UK back there then



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