Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It could well be about economic growth. An increasing population means more demand for housing, furniture for said housing, cars out the driveway for housing, demand for mechanics to service those cars etc

A declining population has the opposite effect, less demand for housing, less demand for furniture, less customers for car show rooms, less work for mechanics and so on and so forth.

That's why it's said without multiculturalism Europe won't survive.

You literally pulled up an argument from another thread with another poster and expect me to dive into it here. I'm not engaging with you anymore so I'm just going to use the ignore function as you won't drop. Nice knowing ye 👍

Absolutely not. I live in the real Ireland - one where I see friends & family emigrating, people still paying austerity/IMF taxes from 15 years ago, a cost of food/energy/housing crisis…..

I'm glad for you that you don't live in that Ireland.

Lol.

You know you have lost the debate when you flounce out the door like that !

But fair enough I thought that was this thread as all immigration threads look the same and all that

.so apologies for that then .

Direct quotes from an unnamed Garda source.

Gardaí have uncovered a plot by far-right agitators to draw them away from protests by diverting them to false crime scenes.

Officers are monitoring the activities of a number of agitators who are suspected of inciting a mob to attack gardaí on Monday in Coolock, Dublin.

These agitators are now being investigated for a new tactic in which fake crime reports are made to divert garda numbers away from the scene of a protest.

“The new information suggests that a person will call in a fabricated burglary or robbery, leading gardaí to rush away from the protest to the scene of the alleged crime,” a source said.

“Once there, the officers will be confronted by a number of people – who have the potential to attack them – while others in the locality are calling in multiple other incidents described as ‘ordinary crime’ to divert gardaí from the actual protest. It’s an attempt to cause mayhem.

“It’s all about dragging resources away from the area where the policing is needed most – it’s an old Provo (IRA) tactic from the Troubles in the North.

“A co-ordinated, intelligence-led investigation under the command of an inspector has now been set up into this perceived tactic and it is being taking very seriously.”

Harris has some questions to answer though, about sending a bunch of newly qualified Gardai to the scene. None that have any riot training. And not even equipped with the proper gear.

I think so but they won't ask in case they get an answer they don't want. Even if they did, it would probably be a so called "public consultation" stuffed full of NGOs with an agenda. So if there was to be any pretence of an effort towards a national dialogue on this, I imagine it would just be for the usual optics of having consulted with the people when in reality the only people asked to participate are those that would support an already predetermined conclusion. The hate speech consultations were 70% against the proposed law and they outright lied about it.

My feeling is it is more lies when the same lines get trotted out constantly that the "vast majority of people want to support people fleeing war and persecution". And the lie isn't that that people support this. Im sure most people do. The lie is that he majority are "fleeing war and persecution". People don't support people who are abusing our system and stretching our services resulting in social unrest.

Perhaps it's not as big an issue for the general population as people imagine? Vast swathes of the population live nowhere near a refugee centre and that's in both rural areas and urban areas. The protests in Coolock this week and the clashes with Gardai have been a far bigger story than the actual arrival of asylum seekers into the country.

Oh right so it might or might not have happened once ….and good luck with diverting Gardai away from a protest mob for an 'ordinary crime' whatever that is, would be hard enough to do that on a lazy hazy Sunday afternoon never mind anything else

Advisement from who?

I wish! Had to settle for a balcony overlooking the pool for dinner. Off to a bit of karaoke now. Gonna sing my favourite song L'amour Toujours. The classics are the best!

hahahahaha :D

I stay out of this thread as much as possible but I just wanted to post the above ;)

Enjoy 🇬🇷

I didn't say that at all. I think your need to be outraged just took you there.

What I'm actually proposing is to make coming here less attractive for those who might come to abuse the system, while treating those more likely to be genuine in a reasonable way, and one which has less cost and consequence for us.

I think it's the kind of alternative most people interested in an actual conversation about immigration would be interested in, but which the populist right etc do their best to shout out by screaming 'open borders'. Your own reaction and that of several others here typifying that.

https://x.com/ClonmelConcern/status/1814751371628794202

I don't think it will be used as an asylum centre any time soon.

The Gardai looking over the wall bewildered at the smoke.

Pretty embarrassing for the force. If they can't protect one building that is probably the most obvious target in the country right now, do we actually think these lads can uphold the law when things really kick off?

It's NIMBYism, most are supportive or don't care but will find reasons for why it shouldn't be in their area. Exact same as social housing, student accommodation, even windmills. There's an endless list of developments Irish people like the idea of but will find reason to dispute them near their home.

The counter protest mention is surely not a serious point when people have seen footage of such demonstrations involving arson, objects thrown and people smashing up garda cars. That's a situation to leave for law enforcement to control, not a counter protest.

If you actually think the vast, vast majority of people are against this governments migration policy then why did government parties do so well in local and European elections? If they're so energized by this issue then why was the turnout one of the lowest in Europe?