Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

good article in the London times today re JD Vance/Trump and peter Thiel (of PayPal mafia fame) as the puppet master.

Peter Thiels life Philosophy is far right to say the least,

So the “Billionaires for Trump” is an official group now.

Nothing to do with Bidens proposed tax on those earning over €100m a year of course.

I know both parties need the support of the rich but this is nuts.

“Before Thiel gave Vance’s campaign the largest individual donation for a Senate race in history — $15 million in 2022 — the Hillbilly Elegy author was a neophyte politician on the road to an embarrassing defeat in Ohio. The money turned his campaign around. “

“As Thiel’s fortune grew — he is worth $8 billion — and his grievances with progressive groupthink, overregulation and sclerotic universities swelled, he began taking a venture capital approach to politics, investing in and guiding smart young men who might agree with or could be persuaded to embrace his burn-it-all-down ethos.”

I can’t recall how Trump ultimately got the “ticket” for 2016 but I clearly remember what I thought throughout the summer/early autumn of that year.

Trump was making outrageous claims and statements as is his want - I asked myself, is this guy completely stupid? I figured no, he wasn’t. So then I asked why is he making such statements? Ie things like build a wall, talking disparagingly about emigrants etc

I came to the conclusion that he had the data that such statements were resonating with a significant proportion of his potential electorate.

So I started saying to anyone who would listen in real life “Guys, Trump is going to win” - I was met with either silence or ridicule - ok obviously we know the outcome now.

I think the FBI supposed investigation killed Hilary’s chance - it came late in the day, practically no time to recover- I don’t think visiting anywhere would have made a difference- also, she had a few dizzy spells if memory serves - that didn’t help her.

Did Trump win in 2016 or did Hilary lose? I’m not sure, I think it’s a close call and strong arguments on both sides - for 2024, right now, I’d say Democrats are losing it in the sense that they know Trump- they’ve had that experience- they’re not at all prepared- ALL of the current issues were predictable - they should have sorted this sh1t months ago - right now it’s Trumps election to lose- Democrats need to right now, “grow” a credible candidate for the next 4 months in order to win - that won’t be easy.

Yeah it’s a very strange conundrum - I think part of the answer is that it takes a fcking hell of a lot of money to “grow” a US presidential candidate - oddly enough, given the population approaching 1/4 billion people, they still can’t get an alternative to Trump - but I think this is more about the historical process , maybe apathy and probably mainly about money- the Republican senators etc also want to hold their seats- they won’t want to move too much away from the party line that got them their last seat.

Trump needs to step down now.

He is senile.

He talks nonsense and is completely confused particularly when he has no speaking notes/autocue.

He lies constantly yet does not realise this. Or does not care.

Last week he almost got his head blown off on the campaign trail.

He then gave a bizarre, strange speech in Milwaukee.

I am a mental health advocate and mean no offence but…

There is an Irish saying “not right in the head” - it applies to him.

I assume all those that were not Trump supporters but just couldn't get behind Biden as he was too old and frail will now bring the same level to Trump since clearly Harris is much better age and mental shape.

I'll wait......

He should step down....

I believe Trump won as he was something completely unexpected for the Dems to get a handle on, he didn't play by the political-election game rules. His "I'm going to do this, that and the other" statements were done so perfectly, in line with his show-host style of conning the audience and not in the way politicians make their election-action promises. The GOP were just lucky that he was on their team at the time and not the other team.

The way he did his walk behind Hilary at her rostrum on their debate night was an example of his TV show skill in getting a cheer from the audience; in that case the voters, making her appear weak compared to him. In hindsight, it was a public display of his attitude towards how he handled and played women, no pun intended, just his inner-person on display. Her lack of response to his stunt by saying "WTF" and chewing him out for it made her look weak to the audience Trump was playing to.

He got lucky with the FBI investigation into Hilary and her use of private electronic machines for official communication purposes as they were playing by rules tying down their response to the situation of the time, things being so fluid on the investigation-front with the FBI [Dir Comey] asking itself if it was being led from a criminal investigation into national politics for political benefit by the person not under investigation.

At present, it looks like Trump is on the up and up and it therefor is a game for him to lose. The Dems public-private argument over their candidate [before they have their convention] is playing right for him at the moment, with them losing to Trump in the publicity gamesmanship he adores.

Harris needs to make sure she doesn’t end up alone in a room with Trump and his small “fingers”

“The Prosecutor versus The Criminal” : that should be her campaign slogan !

If you mean the live TV debate; do something unexpected for him, like a challenge "are you really stalking me live on air on our debate on nationwide TV?" Embarrass the F*** out of him and catch him - figuratively -with his pants down displaying his natural persona. Presently every woman and teenage girl in the US should know what to expect from the 45th if they were to meet him on a one on one personal basis. Its all there on the record….

If you mean Hilary and the 2015 FBI investigation, I can't answer the unknown there….

JD VANCE follows up after his masters voice above:

Joe Biden has been the worst President in my lifetime and Kamala Harris has been right there with him every step of the way. Over the last four years she co-signed Biden's open border and green scam policies that drove up the cost of housing and groceries. She owns all of these failures, and she lied for nearly four years about Biden's mental capacity--saddling the nation with a president who can't do the job.

President Trump and I are ready to save America, whoever's at the top of the Democrat ticket. Bring it on.

https://x.com/JDVance1/status/1815119847941984550

Lol "bring it on"

He shat himself when she challenged him to a debate!

I'm watching the TV news "Sky News" headlines now of "Joe endorses Kamala" for the presidency. I had seen the references from mun1 in the posts above, just wasn't up to date on the changing political situation at Dem Party and US nationwide levels.

Trump's game is throwing wild verbal haymakers and anyone who has played that game with him has lost. I get what you're saying, but just to underline that Harris's attacks must be stinging and incisive breakdowns of the kind of odious policies Trump and his people want to enact. Hit hard, but do not trade blows below the belt.

I should also repeat that Harris is not yet the nominee, but this is what she must do in that event.

Seems trump is scared of a debate too!

After slagging Biden for wandering there would be loads of scope for asking him why he was wandering round the stage, was he lost or just trying to escape?

Would that have been during Trump's Registered Democrat Member period?

I suppose there will be one way of figuring out Biden stepping aside for his V/P to accept the task of running for election to the job later this year will affect the US political scene and that is how the major fund-providers to the election PACs react over the next 7 or so days to the news.

If there were to be reversals in some of the promised donations and a stepping forward by other wealthy uncommitted persons to fund a new nominee with whom they could find common ground on matters unrelated to business, but acutely important to the social well-being of the average US citizens, that information could be very important in electoral terms.

Is it fair to say, now, that Trump has beaten the feds? The three most serious cases against him appear to be dead in the water - the Mar a Lago documents case has been dismissed. The Georgia case is indefinitely on hold. The federal election subversion case is mired in the question of presidential immunity.

I suppose you don't really need good lawyers, even, when the judges go so easy on you.

I'm sure it's a bit higher than that for people from Trump's social class. Nondrinker, nonsmoker, I'd say he has a very good chance of finishing a second term…

Trump is getting the best healthcare in the nation though. The quality of healthcare varies hugely in the US.

Check out dollar-store Nosferatu losing what's left of his racist mind.

Cry harder!

Hardy ha ha Donald. You're gonna wake up and hope he didn't!

We can all agree on that.

He’s too old. He’s the oldest candidate by far.

Oldest nominee ever, did you hear?

Also gets names wrong and often appears lost on stage.

I think Melania is forcing him to stay in the race. Some might call it elder abuse! Very sad. He should retire before he destroys his legacy.

/s