Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

We need to go back to basics. We have too many forwards that are afraid to shoot, 30 yards out and they're handpassing it up to try and kick from 20 yards. Id rather see a fella have a cut from 40 yards and kill the ball rather than run into traffic and turning it over. Mind you most county teams are the same now, fellas are scared sh1tless to shoot and miss.
We had plenty chances to put that game to bed, time for JOC to move on as a fresh voice is needed
Nothing against Armagh or Donegal bu id love to see Galway win it out from here

lets take two people more qualified then me

1 , ambrose o donovon ,(radio kerry) every attack on the opposition goal should be kicked dead

2 michael murphy , (bbc) , the ratio for scoring is 35 seconds , if you are any longer in possession in attack your chances are provenly diminished

two brilliant pundits that have been singing Kerry's flaws all year , lads in kerry called jack o connor a dinosaur , in fairness he is too caught up in the modern game and tactice going on the last two games

Very disappointing result, soft frees added up. Did we do any work on Gough, Armagh did not give anyway. We tried to control it too much, a lot of turnovers in the 2nd half and we should have moved the ball at pace and check them out, versus the slow build up and working to getting a shot off ala basketball 3 pointers. Looks like they used DC and SOS to pull the defence out of shape rather than been exploited with quick ball. This slow build up does help the likes of Spillane etc. We must switch back and forth as needed. Never pressed the kick out, we should have mixed it up. This robbed a chance to get an easy score with the defense set up facing in the wrong direction. Like Aramgh did and the msitakes or we win the ball presents way more options

We looked tiered both physically and mentally, this is another wound that will hang over us. Disappointed we can’t seem to close it out enough when it gets down to the wire. We did it in 2022 final, but we have fallen when the pressure is on Cork, Tyrone, Dublin last year and Armagh this year.

Lack of a right leg by O Sullivan, read about the great players mostly kick with their preferred foot, but can kick when they see the chance or the option with their other. This needs to be hammered home to all underage development squads.

Been around the development squads and very little development going on, good football. But development it is survival of the fitness, not enough going into coaching real coaching. They are never given any guidance on what to improve, but rather keep practicing. Which is not the way i would think the underage teams of the north seem to be taking.

Word today that he's potentially off to Geelong to play with Mark O'Connor.

Thats going to be a tough loss to deal with if it plays out.

He might be right, on reflection talking to a few people outside the county about Kerry's game and a few people saying that we just can't play that type of shite, 30 men in side in a square of ground not much bigger than some people's kitchens but my argument is that we had 3 of the countrys best long range shooters in D Clifford, Sean O Se and Tony Bronson why didn't they go for more scores from outside the 40, we got so tied up with the opposition negativeiy that we forgot about our own game and the talent at our disposal,

I still think we've had the strongest panel in Ireland since 2021 but have only 1 AI to show for it in 4 years. Realistically we should've beaten Armagh by 5/6/7 points.

Cork are improving every year. The stronger they are, the better it is for us.

It's difficult to know where Dublin are. They started 9 players over 30 against Galway so definitely need a rebuild. I don't know much about their younger players. They haven't been great underage recently.

Ideally you'd want 6/7/8 teams who are all capable of beating each other and I think we have that now.

Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Galway and 3 or 4 Ulster teams.

Looking at the present Kerry team I say only Clifford would definitely geton the noughties team.

After that Foley woukd be in with a shout at FB, would DOC be ahead of Kirby or Maher I am not sure. Paudie Clifford might squeeze in as a sub on the forwards. Graham O Sullivan is probably unlucky to be up against Marc and Thomas O Se for a spot.

This team lacks a few leaders and a good few of the players lack composure in tight situations. The team.is getting old fast and there is no rattle in there biscuit tin.

Tom O Sullivian would be up against the Tom O'Sullivian and threr is a reason he has 5 gongs.

Full forward line Gooch, Donoghy Donnacha Walsh. Half forwards Galvin, Declan O Sullivian, Darren O Sullivian. As well Bryan Sheahan and Mike Frank Russell are knocking about. Clifford squeezes in for Darren no more room at the inn.

MF is Dara O Se and A N Other. Bryan Sheahan played MF a couple times in his hey day he was a definite starter

HB's Thomas O Se, Seamus Moynihan, Aidan OMahoney,

FB line, Marc O Se, Micheal McCarthy, The Tom O Sullivian.

Goalie Diarmuid Murphy V Shane Ryan

Bar Clifford none if the rest are definitely starters. Maybe Foley when McCarthy and Moynihan were at tgmhe end of there careers but Aidan O'Mahoney was taking the FB position then

Graham O'Sullivian is unlucky he is up against the two O'Se's

The big difference between the noughties and the present team is the leaders it was oozing them. Moynihan, McCarthy, Thomas, Dara, Aidan, Declan, Donoghy were all natural leaders in a tight spot.

I still think we should be going for 4 in a row this year.

'19 they were still young.

'20 I've erased from my memory.

'21 to '24 I think we'd the best panel in Ireland.

Maybe they're not as good as we think they are or else they seem to have bad luck. They seem to concede poxy goals a lot.

Lucky to have the one

The problem is that they aren't good enough and dont have the leadership to respond to setbacks like the concessions of those goals.

Kerry got a lucky goal themselves. They were still ahead of Armagh after the goal. If they were good enough, the game was still there to be won and plenty time to do it.

Same with the Dublin and Tyrone goals.

If you want to be an x in a row winner you have to be good enough to respond to set backs in a game against good teams.

If Kerry win 2 more All Irelands in this decade it would be a superb return for this team, although in 2020 I reckon more than 3 All Irelands would have been expected.

I agree

We really need to win a few AIs until Dublin rebuild again.

My hope is Clifford lifts the 40th AI.

Ah it is. 4 in a row is a long way from winning 1 All Ireland in 10 years.

You have to be a seriously good team to even win back to back and an exceptional team to do 3 or 4 in a row. This Kerry isn't either of those while being a very decent team and in the leading pack.

I have been very surprised at Geaney starting. Burke is a fine player and might be a great player, but for me I'd start him and let him at it. While he does bring energy when he comes on he is still too raw at this point in the championship to do the right thing every time towards the end of the game when it's in the melting pot which is no surprise for someone young and experienced. That's the time you might need Geaney, not in the first 3/4 of the match.

At least your women prevented another Armagh - Dublin final. They take no prisoners.

Would agree with that, some great individuals but not a great team.

Also the sight of them panting and going down with cramp all over the place in extra time during the semi is a worry and something that needs to be addressed. It’s nothing new, albeit it’s the worst example I’ve seen. Maybe they just hadn’t been tested and were too used to winning games pulling up.

Jaysus lads we are facing down the barrell of 20yrs since we did back-back all irelands nevermind this talk of should be goin for 4 in a row.

Utter nonsense talk, if we were good enough we'd have won them...simple as