Tesla Talk

…take a look at ev purchasing figures, and not just from ireland, theres clearly a falling trend with ev's, we have failed to convince the public to change over, and its completely understandable why, due to the uncertainties it presents, manufacturers will continue to create ice cars for sometime, therefore purchasers know that resale values will remain reasonable, therefore supports will remain in place as long as this dynamic remains…..

…im actually all for ev's, i think many look stunning, including most teslas, and the tech is impressive, and the rate of advancement in the tech has been incredible, but……

…again, its the overall uncertainties with ev's thats actually preventing significant change over, yes theres enormous 'potential', but only a relative small proportion of drivers have actually truly changed, with now some even changing back to ice

…again, yes, there will be another surge in ev when manufactures end ice production, but that actually wont be for some time, so that probably wont occur well into next decade, or beyond, by that stage many of the issues with ev's presented will be ironed out, so the ev market more than likely will remain fairly stagnant for a few years

i take great offence to that, again, many ev's are truly stunning, filled with great advancement in technology, i spend a lot of my time around people that are extremely environmentally aware, and have been their whole lives, this actually includes myself, ive actually studied environmental matters for some time at third level, most of these individuals have not converted to ev, most have very little intention of, i.e. theres a serious problem in regards conversion…..

…policy makers also dont seem to understand why people are not converting, their projections of conversion are not realistic, they are unable to understand why, i.e. there is a significant disconnect on why so…..

Thinking of getting this for my Tesla. Slots into the cup holder. Only 31 euro. Stops the car being boring to drive...5 stars..

has there ever been a brand new car the price of an M3 that so many owners want to give the Halfords/China treatment to right from delivery?

I can’t think of any.

It usually happens with the 3rd or 4th owner or whatever - cheap cars. I’ve never seen happen with a brand new €40-60k car before, and let’s face it the Tesla doesn’t need fake speed stuff, and the standard spec is already fantastic.

Yep - common enough in Asia to accessorize your ride from the go-get. Just look on Aliexpress to see what you can for the likes of the Asian brands.

4680 cells giving trouble. headline is clickbaity but scaling production is obviously challenging.

https://electrek.co/2024/07/17/elon-musk-might-give-up-tesla-4680-battery-cell-end-of-the-year/

even in China self-driving is taking time.

https://carnewschina.com/2024/07/18/robotaxis-make-friends-and-enemies-on-the-streets-of-wuhan/

the fares of the self-driving taxis is attractive though.

economics in China of self-driving taxis aren't looking great. this report and the comments suggest it is a low profit business unless someone corners the market and can prevent competition.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/18/will-baidu-apollo-be-the-1st-profitable-robotaxi-service/

Elon appears to have got bored of being in Automotive industry which is capital intensive and low margin. He'd prefer to re-position Tesla as a Tech Company where retail Investors can over*estimate the future value of the company.

A fleet manager for a blue chip company was invited to talk to employees of our company about their sustainable goals with regard to fleet management.

They refuse to supply Tesla cars to employees of their company as the aftersales is lacking and sales strategy of dictating when cars are delivered along with yo-yo pricing make it impossible for the fleet to manage their risks.

Our company don't supply Tesla either for similar reasons.

My insurance is up next month and I am seeing some serious anti-Tesla bias from insurers. I tried to get quotes from several insurers/brokers to best my renewal on my 22 Model 3 which went from €475 to €600. No changes to my circumstances, other than I am a year older and the car is worth less. Here's what I was looking at for fully comp.

Aviva €600

123.ie €700

Chill.ie €955

AA €600

AnPost €695

Axa 955

Quote Devil €895

Supervalu €995

Kennco €935

Best Quote €935

And I got no quote messages from

Allianz, its4women, Liberty, AIG, Zurich, FBD, Bonkers, Liberty.

When I changed to my 2018 Leaf, everywhere quoted and they were about 20-30% less than the ones that quoted the Model 3.

I replicated the same issue with the Model Y and Model S. Very similar quotes to the Model 3 and no quotes from the same ones that gave no quote on the 3.

I then checked a BYD Seal and Mustang Mach-E and found no issue getting quotes, some of which were cheaper than the 2018 Leaf!!! WTF is going on here?

Allianz give the excuse that the Model 3 refusal is because of the power of the car, but they have no issue insuring far more powerful EVs despite the clear winning safety aspects of the Model 3/Y over the competition. I've heard of insurers being biased against Teslas before, but hadn't really experienced it. Only Allianz and Zurich wouldn't quote last year, with all others quoting.

Strangely enough my RWD M3 shows up as a Long Range model on half the sites. Can't fix it either.

EDIT: After all that, I just got a new quote from Aviva for the same price as last year. Lowered the excess to €125 which added another €20ish to the price. This time the correct RWD version showed up, where previously, only Long Range showed under the reg plate.

Just in case… I drive a model y and pay the minimum premium with full comprehensive= €310.

I'm 41, no claims ever and house and wife insurance are with them too, but yeah... Our second car is a 2015 auris and insurance is €340, so no anti-tesla stuff there I don't think.

Who are you insured with? The last time I had companies refusing to quote was when I was rear ended 10 years ago and claimed through the other persons policy for same. The bolloxology logic they used at the time was that the other party could open a claim against me even though it was a clear no fault on my part. I had 4 years of high premiums because some cnut ran into the back of my car, writing it off and leaving me with a permanent back injury. Anything over 7 years they can't even search due to GDPR rules, so isn't relevant.

I'm your age. Wife is also insured with Aviva on the 2018 Leaf. No claims history to mention. 3 points for speeding which expire next March. I think the price I paid is reasonable which includes NCD protection and a lower excess.

The quotes were only problematic for the Teslas, hence my thinking there is a bias there. Clearly they don't like your Auris either 😂.

When they ask if you've been involved in accident in the last "x" number of years, they ask "regardless of blame". Lie to them and you could find your situation with insurance becomes a lifelong shafting. It's ridiculous, but if you are in an accident and it is crystal clear you are not at fault, they still use the open claim and the recent accident history against you. Moving to another insurer is possible, but is prohibitively expensive.

People choose not to tell insurers about open claims if the accident was not their fault, but they are effectively not insured. Sure, the insurer would have to pay out a third party claim, but they would come after you for the bill after unearthing the fact that the insurance was taken out under false declarations. It boiled my blood and no…I received no refunds after the claim was settled. I reckon the extra loading cost me in the region of 5k over the period. So whether you are at fault or not, the insurance companies win on both sides. It's a cartel.