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Bishop Eamon Casey - Child Abuse Allegations

  • 21-07-2024 11:15am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭


    Just listening to Brendan O’Connor, and this is the first time I heard of such allegations, which seem to have quite a lot of substance.

    We were always remarking that at least Bishop Casey only broke the church rules in regard with being human and falling in love with an adult, and there was a lot of societal forgiveness. Especially when much worse was to be heard in subsequent years regarding clergy.

    Younger people here won’t remember all this, but it will resonate with people of my generation (I’m 63).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    A recap on Bishop Casey:

    The revelation of his having fathered a child was the initial publicly known church scandal, caused a stir at the time because the RC church was lecturing the faithful, most of Ireland, on sexual morality at the time.

    However when other clergy were revealed as child abusers, more or less “all was forgiven”, with regard to looking at the perspective of it. We did not know there was anything further to be revealed down the decades.

    One of Gay Byrne’s low points was how he treated Bishop Casey’s partner who was mother of his child, on the Late Late Show, painting the Bishop as a saint, and, just about unsaid, herself as a harridan by comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,996 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I also had never heard this about Casey. I see the article mentions Cleary was a paedophile too. Something I wasn't aware of either . I thought they were two vainglorious individuals who loved attention, but I thought that was the extent of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Story was around for many years and well publicised at the time in that it was in a few national newspapers - but I don’t think it came out until after his death so the story didtnt last that long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,384 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    First I heard of these allegations was on the radio this morning, very surprised to see Anne Lucey had reported on it in The Examiner as far back as 2019. That took courage.

    The fact that no other news networks or journalists followed it up goes to show how easily we are manipulated by the mainstream media and those who control it.

    Also the fact that the Church refused to allow Casey back into fold after carrying out it's own investigations speaks volumes.

    https://extra.ie/2024/07/21/news/irish-news/bishop-eamonn-casey-vatican

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    I thought that the church was just asserting they weren’t allowing clergy who had broken their vows with adultery to remain and that he had simply fallen in love with a woman and a child resulted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..


    He screams arrogance Casey. I've known priests like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I only heard of this in here today

    Who pays the financial settlement, was it Casey himself or the church?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Re his friend, Fr Cleary, I spoke on his radio show once, and got a lift home from the studio, mad driver that he was. I wasn’t surprised about hearing his “housekeeoer” was his partner and that there was a child resulting from the union.

    As regards paedophilia, this doesn’t surprise me either because his partner Phyllis was a vulnerable underage girl “shelteting” in a home, and not alone did she have the boy that lived with them, but an older boy too, which she must have given birth to when very young, and he is said to have been fathered by Cleary too. That is statutory rape, and for a mature man, under the guise of being a caring father figure and a man of God, that is in itself a form of paedophilia with a preference for post-puberty children. It’s got some name, I forget atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I remember when the Casey story broke back in the early 90s. I was in a newsagent in Galway and there were 3 women there that wanted him killed for bringing shame on the church. I naively said at least he was showing normal human urges unlike some of the other paedophile monsters in the church. They tore me apart and were nearly suggesting that Casey's actions were worse than the "few bad eggs". Strange cultish thinking. I always wondered why women defended the church so much when they were second class citizens at the time. Little did we know that Casey was also an abuser. Nothing shocks me anymore about that disgusting organisation and their backward thinking.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Tow


    An uncle had old school argument with him via letter, about an article he wrote or was quoted saying in a newspaper. What amazed my uncle most was that he bothered to even reply and several letters went back and forth.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..


    Now you mention it , it wouldn't be outrageous to call the CC the world's biggest cult



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,606 ✭✭✭Damien360


    This is news to me. He was Bishop of Galway when I did my confirmation. He visited our school "for a chat" soon after his drink driving conviction in the UK. I remember the diversion of diocesan funds. Even after his death, the majority would see his indiscretion as one with a consenting adult. Lots was known of the man.

    Our family personally knew James McLoughlin who was next in line and he was Eamon's secretary and he had much to say about funds and what was going on but nothing about children. He gave my granny last rights and she jumped out of the bed to get on her knees for the incoming Bishop giving her a blessing.

    Not to credit Éamon Casey on this, but if the scandal of Annie Murphy hadn't broke and finally break the halo surrounding the priests, we may never have heard about the widespread child abuse. In my mind, the Bishop Casey story broke the glass ceiling and it was gloves off.

    On a seperate note, there were strong rumours of goings on in the st Joseph's Salthill at that time and it ended up leveled fairly quickly. There is a paper about the physical abuse but the time was also the height of child abuse scandals coming out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I didn't realise he remained a bishop until his death in 2017.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..


    It appears there was a power struggle of sorts

    He was resistant to sanction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    It was my first official consciousness of scandals or mistruths going on among the clergy. However a work colleague had previously spoken about abuses and breaches of trust, widespread sexual activity taking place in the clergy. We thought she might have been exaggerating slightly, but this lady wasn’t given to either lies or exaggeration. I remember then discussing with my own family about the rumours, and it kind of upset my parents a little bit, with a touch of “don’t believe all you hear”.

    Except my father was always very wary about authority, since he was sexually abused as a boy by a policeman. When all the revelations came out he was upset at the extent of it.

    One time, my mother discussed with my father about boarding school for me as I was an only child and she thought it might be good for my socialisation. We had a good family friend, a Scottish priest who was in the Passionist order, and he’d sometimes be staying at Mount Argus in Dublin, fairly near us. My Dad had been very against the idea of my being sent boarding, and he had a chat with this priest about it. The priest said he was dead against boarding schools as “you can’t trust that things don’t go on, not everyone in charge is a saint”. He had heard about bad things going on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    People should be free to follow their faith.

    The organisation of the church should be banned. We could use their land for houses.

    Any other company or organisation this complicit in so many crimes would be shut down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Ted222


    Some of Casey’s alleged abuse occurred in England in 2001. You’d think by then he would have been somewhat remorseful but no - quite the opposite.

    What a hideous individual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    If a chain of creches had so much paedophilia ingrained in it , the business would be closed and the directors in jail.

    Yet hundreds and thousands of sheep parents line up to baptise their kids and have the big day out for the confirmunions.

    The mind boggles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Its never ending with this pedo organisation.

    Sig edited so not to "offend" genocide apologists

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYOZ3IzRaf4


    https://www.btselem.org/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I'm one of the sheep you refer to. Yes while some members of the catholic church of old behaved disgracefully in their treatment of certain children and woman ( which can't be excused), there was a lot of good work done aswell. Some Hospitals and schools would not have existed without the catholic church - the government were not able to provide this. It's very naive to believe that the entire church was bad. Religion is a very personal thing and you have to be able to separate the present to what happened in the past.

    Its boresome and tiresome to be labelled an idiot just because I have faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,606 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I would be of the same opinion as you. Ireland was dirt on the shoe of the old empire. The church took on the role of education although I'm unsure of their healthcare kudos past the provision of the buildings and land for them. Ireland would be years further behind in education without the church.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    One of the great myths of the Irish state.

    The state built to regional hospitals, the British built the hospitals that used be called the city and county homes which were later given religious names. The state also built the sanatoriums and the state gave us the the revolutionary vaccination programs.

    The churches main role was to hold back healthcare in this country by being absolute c**ts about any healthcare particularly surrounding women that didn't suit their warped view of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    But you ARE an idiot if you believe in any of it. Usually we try to be nice and say each to their own etc. But if you believe a ghost came and knocked up a virgin who then had a gods baby then you are an idiot. If you believe that a man in a dress can turn biscuits into the dead god baby’s ACTUAL body and blood then you are an idiot. It’s all wooo isn’t it?

    Then you have the rapist priests, anti divorce, anti contraception, anti abortion, discrimination against gays and women.

    Anyone who is in this club and especially those who bring their child to join this club is an IDIOT of the highest order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    I think the Vatican demoted him to Fr Casey iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Deeec


    No I'm not an idiot though. Im lucky to have received an excellent education in a Catholic primary and secondary school which gave me a good basis for life. I have a nice home, family and life is good

    I find comfort in believing that I will meet deceased loved ones again. It gives me great comfort in times of stress to say a prayer and light a candle. I believe my faith has helped me through tough times. Does that make me an idiot.

    Nowadays people either have faith or turn to anti depressants or counselling. Personally I prefer faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Most people were until more recently. It was the norm, the status quo, and people get a lot from their faith. There have always been good people in the church, which was invaded by a lot of undesirables.

    My cousin’s son went in to be a priest, fell in love with an absolutely fabulous girl, left the priesthood after they gave him a decision-making break, he is still full of faith and so is his now wife. That’s what they have in common as well as both being intellectual. He had always battled with the thoughts he couldn’t get married and have children before going into the priesthood and wished the Vatican would allow him to remain in ministry. A very good priest lost.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Many of the local national schools were built by the local community, in the 1800s. Nothing to do with the church. the church took control of them later.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    By that reasoning Al ost the entire nation were idiots. Human beings are by nature inclined to follow a belief system and put it in simple terms. Humans love to simply things, as happens on Twitter etc with the current replacements for religion.

    I’m on the fence with my belief, many days my belief is gone, other days I have insights which restore my faith for another little bit. You can call me an idiot, I know you don’t mean it personally but you are frustrated at the illogicality of people.

    Sometimes I think it is reasonable that a higher mystical power would send themselves in the form of a new born to fit the pattern of the day, and emerge as an amazing human being with a message that goes against the grain of current thinking, and without internet or anything remotely like it, spread the interesting message down through hundreds of generations. The message was largely to accept the people you dislike for no good reason. That resonates very much today.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The RCC didn't operate hospitals and schools for the betterment of society. They did it because they received funding for doing so and they kept control of what was done in these institutions. Even recently, we had them wanting to take ownership of the Natiknal Maternity Hospital where there would be none of that abortion stuff allowed.

    Money & control is what the RCC is all about!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's not what RTE have on their link. I'll post it later.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Where did this happen and what period of the 1800's exactly?

    Post edited by kabakuyu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    one time when I was being driven home by a friendly Nigerian taxi driver, I heard him speak in an interesting language to his wife over speakerphone, it included a lot of English. I enquired what language that might be, he gave me a long an interesting explanation about that. He and his family are of a more remote tribe outside mainstream society. Irish missionary nuns arrived and set up a school and all sorts. He was educated by the nuns and said his education was amazing. He had been taught a lot about Ireland and he considered it would be a lovely place to come to. He is impressed by the education his children now have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    I didn't use the word idiot.

    It's a very different scenario if you actually practice religion, attend mass etc. If you want to turn a blind eye to the absolutely horrific behaviour of those who represent your faith, that's your call.

    I should have been more specific and said I was referring to the sheep who never go to mass, and just turn up for the big occasions. And like that moron TD in Cork, set aside their actual social beliefs to tick the boxes on the big days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    ah yes, where would all the holy communion & confirmation money come from otherwise and mammy’s and sometimes daddy’s big day out for Instagram followers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I Disagree slightly with your last paragraph.

    Nowadays people are interested in causes,activism,and anything on social media that is popular,in a way this is the new religion,I see similarities between the very devout Catholic of years ago and the zealotary of some who follow "causes" .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Plenty of people with no faith who don't require drugs or counselling, I'll count myself amongst them.

    Believing there is a man sitting on clouds waiting to welcome you in your death, and that you will chill out there for eternity, and talking to said invisible man is something that one might think requires counselling, or a padded cell. But if it gives you peace that's nice for you.

    If religion didn't exist and somebody started talking about god tomorrow, telling us that he is everywhere at all times and we eat his 2,000 year old son's flesh at mass they'd be accused of being insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Your doing it again ... basically saying anyone who believes is a fool.

    As I said to you in an earlier post my faith is personal. I don't do any harm to anybody else. I lost a family member in a car accident. My faith got me through that very tough time. It was either turn to religion or anti depressants at the time. I'm not a religious nutter who goes around preaching to everyone - it's personal belief.

    An elderly uncle once said to me that if you don't believe in something you have nothing. You have to have something that gives you hope. I believe this to be true.

    Anyway we are going off topic - Casey was a bad egg and yes I do believe the allegations again him. Casey and the many others like him though doesn't mean that the entire catholic church was bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Tow


    Father Brendan Smyth's wrong doings were headlines around 1995, so it is surprising he was still at at in 2001. Casey probably though he was untouchable, and it appears he was.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    just heard in the news he remained a Bishop until his death. That conflicts with what I think I heard released back around the time of his death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    A lot more to come from this. Uncle gaybo his biggest defender back on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    A Bishop is more problematic than a priest. There could be a board game created on the basis of all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    The church was/is toxic. It tried to get everyone to obey their rules and make believe. The sooner the few old priests die off the better.

    I still say anyone who believes in woo is an idiot. There is no difference between your heaven and the Scientologists flying off in a spacecraft. The woo must be mocked and everyone who believes in this rubbish should be called out as being an idiot.

    If fairytales work for you then knock yourself out - but the truth is that your faith is just a placebo, with no real juju.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭Acosta


    I have no issue whatsoever with people being spiritual and practicing their religion etc.

    But after all the horrors that have emerged over the last 25 or more years about what it really meant to be a "Catholic Country", since the formation of the republic, up until the 90s, that the church still have anything to do with Children, schools and hospitals, is a bit of a sick joke really.

    Unfortunately though, when it comes to the many forms of abuse, mother and baby homes etc, too many Irish people tend to shrug their shoulders about it and head off to get their child baptised. Things have got a lot better in this country since I was a child, but we have a bit to go yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    You're the one saying if someone doesn't have faith they need counselling or medication.

    So it's OK for you to think you're correct in your faith, and judge the rest of us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I was scratching my head why this is “news” at this time in July 2024- allegations of child sex abuse against him were reported on years ago


    https://extra.ie/2024/07/21/news/irish-news/bishop-eamonn-casey-vatican

    Apparently a programme on RTÉ tomorrow evening is the simple answer- not sure how much “new” information there will be

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0721/1460965-bishop-eamonn-casey/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    there are modern equivalents. Human behaviour dictates that people divide in rhetoric. That’s fine if it’s low key, but modern times have proved immense divides in intense belief systems

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Oscar, most of us pay fairly fleeting attention to news, if it’s not repeated (irritatingly) often enough, we simply don’t take it in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Hitler lost WW2- just in case you missed it 🤪



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