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?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And for people who have been saying for years to 'Just give us someone young with half a brain in their head'.

    Harris is qualified in Law and also in Finance and served as San Francisco District Attorney and also California Attorney General. She was US Senator for the State of California and now VP of the US for 4 years.

    And she's only 59 years old. I hope she campaigns aggressively instead of any sort of 'dignified' approach trying to let her record speak for itself.

    The Attorney against the Felon. That's it, that's the choice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    None that I know of. But no doubt a Harris win would result in an avalanche of grandstanding identity politics nonsense, on par with maga, just on the other side. And a lot of white guys want to avoid the fate of having to hear that for 4 years.

    Women and minorities dont work the same as a white male is pretty much the historic standard.

    When a white guy (other than DT) wins the race the entire white male population doesnt have a public moment. Just another old white guy in a suit. No big change. Nothing new. Old white guy 1 or old white guy 2. So what.

    But if Harris wins then life will basically become a Beyonce video for 4 years. It will all be obnoxious identity politics.

    The thoughts of just having to hear it will be enough to move huge numbers of votes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    All that work the republicans put into the Hunter issue/distraction… gone !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,015 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "White guys" aren't the only people who vote. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 as a woman. Barack Obama won two elections as a black man.

    The majority of "white guys" who hate identity politics yadda yadda yadda, were pretty much always going to be voting for Trump anyway. It's the Independents in the swing states who will determine the election as they always do, and they're more likely to just vote for who they think the best candidate for the country will be.

    They don't think if Harris is elected that the next 4 years will make their country like a Beyonce video. They won't think that, because nobody would ever think that, because that's a f*cking stupid thing for a person to think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Babyreignbow


    you said white guy/white male 7 times in this post.

    Use your mighty arms to slay the fierce enemy that is selfish desire




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://x.com/AdamJSmithGA/status/1814723038564192535

    “She prosecutes sex predators, he is one” Kamala will have a lot of lines of attack on the Donald




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Babyreignbow


    Use your mighty arms to slay the fierce enemy that is selfish desire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,789 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They seem to have timed it well and left doddery don's VP pick very exposed and a liability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,341 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Was Obama 4-8 years of such a moment on the scale you describing?

    You cant even point to any particular policy...

    White guys are a minority now. Seems a bit entitled for them to expect that a Presidential candidate must come from that demographic.

    The thoughts of just another two white guys in a suit could likewise be enough to move numbers not to vote.

    Yes there will stuff written about landmark of a first female President. It will pass.

    And pass such landmarks on the road to a future normal.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Maybe a minority woman can indeed win it.

    That wasnt the point.

    If theyd gone with a white male (or even a non-white male) that would be taken as a compromise by a lot of white male voters, as it looks like an end to the identity politics, of which so many are fatigued.

    And if you think that Harris winning wont result in a torrent of p.c. nonsense and endless identity politics youre living under a rock. It will be -isms and -phobias and raised rainbow fists and cis this and privilege that til the cows come home. A reverse Trump, rather than middle ground sanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Silicon Valley insisted on him in exchange for many millions for trumps campaign fund…. It was a poor choice of candidate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    ..



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The VP pick to support Kamala will be a big moment. Saw someone say it is unlikely to be Newsom because of the California thing. I think it has to be male so Gretchen Whitmer is probably out.

    So could it be Pete? I think that would be a very strong ticket except he might possibly outshine her. Although, he's smart enough to play the role of the back up while still representing very strongly better than anyone.

    But, is the US ready for female lead and gay male understudy yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Biden stepping back has taken all the air out of the Trump campaign's killer talking point. If Harris comes in, it completely flips the table on them. Let's see just how much those questioning Biden are now going to be willing to address the same topic when it comes to Trump.

    A Harris campaign can also push the 'enough old, white men' issue.

    FWIW, white males are roughly 30% of the US population these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,341 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Aaron Sorkin (West Wing) suggested Mitt Romney as Democratic presidential candidate... that seems a bit too Hollywood but what about as VP. Hmm.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Obamas election was at a saner time.

    I dont have to point to a policy. As i dont care who wins, left or right.

    I only came to say that the left going for a very left appealing minority woman was a bad strategic move.

    Which it is. They probably could have wrapped up the win and been done with their nemisis today if theyd gone with a candidate which keeps white males onboard.

    But they didnt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Babyreignbow


    Nope, they're not so I hope they have a good long think about it.

    Use your mighty arms to slay the fierce enemy that is selfish desire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I posted above or elsewhere this evening that actually, if he had “speeches/rants” written and ready to go attacking Bidens policies of achievements , all he has to do is replace the name Biden with Harris?
    But yeah, Harris certainly does bring a new dimension to the race and there will be a number of angles she can take not previously open to Biden as you’ve mentioned - just hope she’s supported by the party



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Think it would be a kick in the teeth for every Dem who ever put in effort fighting for the party. If he had crossed the aisle at some point before now, then maybe, but while still representing the Republican party, can't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,341 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Firstly, Harris isnt even the nominee. Presumptive nominee but the Democrats havent gone with anyone yet. Biden-Harris hoovered up delegates, Biden stood down and endorsed Harris.

    Secondly, white males arent the only votes Democrats need to keep onboard and are a minority of voters. If its perceived Harris doesnt get a fair chance at the nomination that could backfire too.

    Not a very convincing argument when you continually dont engage with the impact of the latter.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Erm. I do.

    Difference is that people on here don't get them wrong as often.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Hey, my point makes perfect sense, if you cant understand it, or dont want to, then thats your problem. Go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    Unless Harris was to come out and say she wouldn't seek the nomination Joe had to endorse her or he would be seen to think she would not be a good president.

    That's not a good look when she's supposed to be president if something happened to Joe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,341 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well you could think someone would make a good President but winning a general election is a different task.

    Hard not to endorse her as they stood for the primaries together this year.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Did you watch the debate where, at one point, Biden completely lost his train of thought in the middle of a sentence, and then finished his piece (such as it was) with "….we beat Medicaid….", and a totally vacant expression on his face? He was showing some pretty obvious signs of encroaching senility, and it was laid bare on that night. This was before he had to be walked off the stage by his wife. The only thing he's done wrong in this whole episode is that he waited at least a year too long to make this decision.

    There was no Democratic primary. His main 'rival' was Dean Phillips who Jon Stewart pointed out doesn't even look like a real person, but like the stock model in a print ad for washing powder. Obviously Dean is a real person, but the point was that he was just put up as a generic placeholder because the protocol has been for quite a while that you don't run against an incumbent. His expectation of beating Biden for the nomination was about as sincere as the Chondoist Chongu Party's efforts to score a majority in the North Korean legislature.

    And this was before Biden's humiliating and rather concerning debate performance. Old Dean might have nearly been in with a shout if the timing had been different.

    Frankly, this stuff about democracy being upended is nothing more than weasel words designed to sow discord and disunity in the Democratic base. Trump's probably going mad right now, if only on the basis that the news focus has been taken off him for a single day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Why do you think white males won't vote for Harris?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,265 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump is moderate on abortion,'' let the states decide, and most have voted liberal, which is great, let them decide''



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