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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2024 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • #4082
    17togo
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭17togo


    I can't wait any longer.... I want to here the thoughts of the hurling prophet... The golden Miller.

    Whatever about what some may call bogey ref calls... We still weren't beating by 10 to 15 points!

    It may be petty but there's nothing nicer than seeing lads eat their words!



  • #4083
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409915#Comment_122409915

    Oh Nostradamus posted already after the match… basically, even though Cork lost today, they will dominate the championship for many years to come 🤦‍♂️



  • #4084
    Iecrawfc
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122408550#Comment_122408550

    Yes was frustrating seeing Cork use pretty much the same tactic as in the semi and getting absolutely cleaned out by the Clare half back line, limerick were toren asunder by them



  • #4085
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409796#Comment_122409796

    you’re wrong.

    the game was decided by Clare’s ability to carve Cork open time and time and time again.

    There was a Cork supporter on here after the semi final, apologies but I don’t remember the particular username, who pointed out that as convincing the win against Limerick was, Cork still give up a lot of chances, and this could prove costly against Clare.

    Fair play to that poster, they were bang on the money.

    I’m more a rugby person than a hurling person (I’m a casual hurling watcher at best), Cork remind me of a rugby team that has great backs and no forwards, which is to say they are a team that can do the fancy moves but don’t have the cattle for when you just need to dig yourself out of the shite.

    Clare aren’t particularly great in this department either, I think they were pretty soft in the first half against Kilkenny, but crucially they were better at it than Cork today.

    When they needed to get a few score in a row they got them. John Conlon was a colossus in defence, pretty much ate up everything thrown at him. They got goals at key moments.

    Outside of the Cork blitz in the first 10/15 minutes Clare were the better team and Cork were chasing it IMO. A deserved win, and only for their own wastefulness they should have won it in normal time.

    That’s my 2 cents anyway.



  • #4086
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,315 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Pundits and general media over the years have a lot to answer for and is why you end up with refereeing performances like today.

    Referees who apply the rules get criticised for being too picky or whistle happy, while referees who ignore blatant fouling get lauded for "letting the game flow".



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  • #4087
    C__MC
    Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Kelly looks like a guy who is gutted to be interviewed by cantwell twice in 20 mins. She is a disaster.



  • #4088
    17togo
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭17togo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409939#Comment_122409939

    Ah bollix, I missed that. I quickly scrolled through a few pages!



  • #4089
    Freneys Treasure
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Freneys Treasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409825#Comment_122409825

    I wrote the following on here yesterday:

    "In all seriousness, with the way the game has gone and the way the public assesses a referees performance these days, the easiest thing for the referee to do in an All-Ireland final is to avoid making any big calls by letting it flow as much as possible. Yes, they may get their wrists slapped from assessors later but a referee doesn't want the final to be remembered mainly for a decision they made or for being so fussy that they are accused of ruining the game. So I think we will a bit of a free for all tomorrow especially when you consider Murphy's last outing"

    In short I thought it was likely that Murphy would let as much as possible go today, and I don't blame him, it's a product of how pundits and the public assess referees performances, they want the refs to let it flow and the last time he tried to lay down a marker it went horribly wrong.

    What do you think as a ref? Wasnt the easiest thing for him was to avoid as many big calls as possible, let it flow so as to not be seen as fussy and the neutral public will be kind to him. Referee assessors may not but that is not public and who will remember that in 20 years time

    With this approach you generally get a great spectacle and the neutral spectator is the winner. However often the losing team is left feeling aggrieved and the neutral public having enjoyed the game have very little tolerance for the aggrieved highlighting the reasons for their grievances, see Mantis's post about Cork supporters for example



  • #4090
    BQQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭BQQ


    most neutrals think the referee was great

    If he’d blown for all the fouls we’d have a free-taking contest and probably a red card With the game decided not by players but officials

    Instead we had a game for the ages and people are complaining?

    Best Thing for me was - two lads jostling each other off the ball. One of them dived on the floor trying to get the other lad sent off - ref told him to get up ta f**k and waited for a stop in play to book them both

    Top class refereeing



  • #4091
    sportsmaddad
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭sportsmaddad


    On the refereeing decisions today. As someone pointed out here earlier, so many hurling pundits happily excuse the repeated disregard for rules in literally every game throughout the season. Steps and thrown passes especially. So why should we expect them to call out errors in the final?



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  • #4092
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Cathal Malone's shifts are seriously underrated. Not even mentioned.



  • #4093
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,315 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410013#Comment_122410013

    Well then the GAA need to make that absolutely clear in the rules. Jersey pulling, tripping and pushing should be explicitly permitted in the rules as things a referee can ignore and not penalise.

    Then there is a level playing field and the losing team can not feel aggrieved at the ref but at themselves for not fouling enough.



  • #4094
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,525 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Some a the fooking nitpicking about the referee is laughable. He had a good game. Clare deserved the win. A point in it, but overall Clare that little bit better.



  • #4095
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Conlon deserved a MOTM nomination IMO.



  • #4096
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410001#Comment_122410001

    Here's a screenshot of it... worth posting it just because the chap's posts are so deluded

    Screenshot_20240721-232214.png



  • #4097
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,315 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410043#Comment_122410043
    Screenshot_20240721_223209_X.jpg

    Should this be a free?



  • #4098
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Cantwell reminded me of misses Doyle doing that last interview. Tony Kelly reacted exactly how I would have. At least she's not on the panel. Jacqui Hurley an absolute gem and puts her to shame.



  • #4099
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,029 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410050#Comment_122410050

    I cant believe people actually fall for it after all these years.



  • #4100
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410013#Comment_122410013

    But the game WAS decided by the officials.
    If the biggest day of the year is won by joke decisions, then the whole championship is undermined. How do you prepare to deal with that next year?

    This type of refereeing promotes fouling as it goes unpunished.



  • #4101
    Charlie69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410006#Comment_122410006

    Spot on Freney 👍



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  • #4102
    Gusser09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410056#Comment_122410056

    Ah sure no. Its a foul but its hurling. Sure like what about it. Football much better officiated.



  • #4103
    blackvalley
    Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410056#Comment_122410056

    Yes



  • #4104
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410056#Comment_122410056

    No because the whistle should have been long blown



  • #4105
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭almostover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410013#Comment_122410013

    It's not the referee's job to create 'a game for the ages' or 'to let the game flow'. Their job is to apply the rules of the sport in a consistent manner.

    For me, Johhny Murphy was quite good in general. But he didn't have the stones to make 2 big calls. Send off David McInerney for the trip 10mins from time, and call back the final shot for a blatant jersey pull.

    The 1st of those decisions is inexplicable. He correctly gave a 20m free to Cork, thus acknowledging the foul. Therefore, it had to be a 2nd yellow for McInerney. I'd defy anyone to claim otherwise, except maybe a black card but the end result is the same. But Murphy decided he 'didn't want to ruin the game' by applying the rules of said game, and issuing the warranted 2nd yellow card. Either we have rules or we don't. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st round of the league or the AI final, the rules are the same.

    Finally, is there anything to be said for getting proper umpires for AI championship games. And by that I mean not just 4 lads the ref has rounded up! Surely be to Christ, 4 intercounty referees could be used for the final at least? One from each province. A blatant 65 missed for Cork, again I'm guessing because the umpires weren't too enthused about making a bold but correct decision.

    We're a long way off professionalism in the GAA, which is a pity given the efforts of the players.



  • #4106
    supernova5
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭supernova5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409957#Comment_122409957

    for a rugby man you got that analysis spot on, Clare the better team and only for their dreadful inaccuracy would have 4/5 points to spare in normal time



  • #4107
    Gusser09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410103#Comment_122410103

    A video assisstant is more apt.



  • #4108
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    IMG_1270.jpeg

    …..



  • #4109
    supernova5
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭supernova5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410029#Comment_122410029

    yea criminally overlooked in every game for a good number of years now, what a warrior and critical to that team



  • #4110
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭Rosita


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122409839#Comment_122409839

    Cork scored 0-10 from frees, Clare 0-3. Cork can thank the ref for making it a contest after they collapsed and lost a seven point lead.



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  • #4111
    Gusser09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410116#Comment_122410116

    Not sure what his point is. Any ref the aim is to get the big calls right. Murphy didnt. Based on that he had a poor game. Simple really. If the ten percent of calls are non game deciding calls then nobody cares.



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