Manchester United Thread 2024/25 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

We think these guys.

No - this guy.

Just a preference.

I copied and pasted what you wrote.

I did not distort or misrepresent anything.

That's where I inferred that you viewed your experience as being in line with what ETH has.

If you don't infer from a conversation then you can't have a conversation. Without inference it's just letters. You infer meaning from the words. It's how things work.

50 odd posts, bickering over something none of us have ever or will ever see, ie, ETHs contract. The season can't start soon enough so we can get back to getting triggered about a bad result on the field.

I don't agree you can look to understand meaning without inference.

And how am I attacking a medium, or a message?

If I'd said understood from rather than inferred would you be angry about that too?

You could have simply said I inferred incorrectly, rather than saying I shouldn't be inferring meaning from your post.

What?

Refute if you wish, fine.

You said you didn't write what I pasted!

You did not copy and paste what I said.

That's a lie!

And I pasted it to try clear up confusion. Ie. This is where my understanding came from. If my understanding was wrong then fine. I though pointing to where my misunderstanding seems to have started was the correct thing, but you just ball on, accuse me of distorting your words and stating you never even said what I pasted?

I think you'll just have to live with whatever veto you think ETH has as no one else seems to agree with you on how it will work in practice.

Clogging up the thread with the wish that ETH should have been sacked will go nowhere, everyone gets it, everyone can see it colours all your posts, it won't change until he is sacked or is successful.

I think INEOS have played this very well so far, if the new hierarchy want to get rid of ETH they will, they couldn't go into the season with the manager on his final year and recruitment so far seems much more coherent than previous.

We've gone too long without a new signing.....

Any chance Amad gets a run in the team this season?

Talk of him getting a new deal and Pellistri being sold. So I think there is a chance, he is still raw in things he does.
Issue would be what happens with Anthony & Sancho? Is sancho back in the good books or is the club playing it sweet so a club bites for him

I think if we got a halfway decent offer for Sancho he'd be gone, makes sense to reintegrate him as keeping him ostracised merely reduces his "value". Best hope with Antony is a loan with a mandatory purchase clause.

Sancho and Bruno both linked to PSG this morning.

I wouldn't sell Bruno, and I am surprised by PSG interest in Sancho.

But I do wonder if things go a bit crazy and we end up with Ugarte and Simmons from PSG and they take Sancho and Bruno.

I think losing Bruno would be a massive mistake, tbh. I think swapping Bruno for Simmons would move us further away from being a top 4 side, and we have to be a top 4 side before we can be a league contending side.

Feels like a running theme lately unfortunately.

Can we not just get behind a new ownership who have the best interests of the club at heart, have pumped money into the club with plans to renovate and have actually got footballing people into the football roles at the club?

They have backed ETH as the first team coach (whether they wanted to or not) after doing a reasonable job in 2 years and while last seasons league campaign was rotten, I'm genuinely excited for the new season.

Not sure the last time I said that and actually meant that.

We're a million miles away from past Summers gone by and it feels like posters are waiting on ETH/INEOS to slip up so they can say "told you so."

Simons might suit a more possession based game than Bruno. I'd be sad to see him go but I don't think it would be a major downgrade and a lot more upside.

Amad should be our starting right sider, he showed more in the few games he got at the end of last season that anyone else. That's not to say he doesn't need to improve and show consistency, that's what's been lacking from anyone who's played right the last few seasons.

Pellestri looks to be out the door, he's had more than enough time to make an impact in a position we are struggling to fill. Amad would have been too but he took his chance when he got it.

I'd also expect one of Sancho and Antony to be sold/ loaned out. Perhaps both if the club can line up a replacement, they way they're operating now you couldn't rule it out, maybe closer to the end of the window. I agree we are more likely dressing up Sancho for the shop window more than determined to keep him.

McTominay may be kept to help with the home grown rule, a good few of our outgoings would have qualified as such and most incomings (signed or linked to) won't.

Not sure how we are fixed these days in regards to home grown, but if we are tight it could impact how keen we are to sell Rashford and Maguire as well as McT.

Can't see the club selling Bruno tbh. Maybe the PSG links are for Rashford & Sancho? Both clubs might have realised there is cross interest in a few players and deals could be done on the back of that.

Well it depends really, if it's the Bruno of most of last season then there probably won't be much lost but if it's the one that showed the last few weeks of the season then you're probably right.

The squad makeup isn't a "win now" one anyway so expectations should be relative to that 🤷🏻‍♂️

Reviews take time. It's not remotely laughable at all.

It's hard to imagine us scoring fewer than 57 goals, or losing more than 14 games in a season again. That's what we're coming from, so I would welcome any change that can improve those stats.

Not saying Simons in, Bruno out is that change. But I would like to see if Bruno can be played deeper ocassionally, with a more possession based number 10 ahead of him in games that we should be dominating possession. Or at least making tactical switches mid game that sees a similar switch.

I would hope that the Zirkzee signing is a sign of Ineos recognising that a slight change is needed. We've become far too predictable and reliant on one person.

We only scored 58 goals the previous season.
We need a better plan going forward other than 'hope a player produces some magic'. I'm hopeful Zirzkee is a sign of such thinking, and i think Hake could be key in that improvement - i've read his GAE side were qute innovative going forward - but their goalscoring is nothing to write home about so maybe not. Maybe they did outperform their quality though.

With the lack of goals we already have though, I just don't see how replacing one of the few we do have (who also creates lots) is anything other than a massive gamble.

We need to add about 20 goals a season to the side - we need our front line to be hitting about 55-60 goals between them, imo.

Simons got 8 last season I think. imo you can maybe look at 10 for Zirkzee. So Rashford, Hojlund (splitting time with Zirkee) and Amad/Garnacho for about 40 goals (in the league)?

Translation : Manchester United and PSG have things to talk about this summer. Ugarte, Simons on one side. Sancho, Bruno Fernandes on the other. Competition for Lenny Yoro…

ETH is deluded if that article in the Times is true. In relation to Bruno there's no chance we swap him for Simons imo.

I seen this yesterday and what he actually said - "In two years, after Guardiola, we won the most trophies in English football"

But as usual the headline is grabbing and people react

Aparently we have had a bid of £25m + 4m for De Ligt rejected.

If true… interesting that we have bid so low, interesting we have bid without any further sales, interesting we have bid for a second CB signing before a Central Midfielder.

I'd read previously they want £42m+Bonuses, and our thought/limit is £42m inc Bonuses. So the first bid in is a mile away from both the Bayern ask, and what is rumoured to be our valuation of him (which makes sense, really). Will be interesting to see if/when/what we go back with.

About as well informed as most of your posts as far as I can see Mitch