F1 2024 - Round 13 - Budapest - Hungaroring

They all do it when the car or strategy doesn't go their way and you'd be sick of hearing drivers bitch and moan but we tend to hear more radio messages when its Verstappen

When it's the champion you hear it more,people used Hamiltons moaning as a stick to beat him with…same is happening now with Verstappen

Saw on twitter that Alonso let Stroll past to attack Tsunoda, with understanding they'd swap back if unsuccessful. He was unsuccessful, but didn't swap back. Which was for last point.

link to that

**** off Piastri.

I don't :)

Verstappen and Hamilton ruled a driving incident I see.

Max has doubled down on his criticism in the post race interviews which won't help quell rumours of him leaving. I quite enjoy when there is a bit of back and forth on the radios. He did cross a line today though. He also failed to mention how he didn't make the overtake in the race stick earlier when he ran wide.

I will never buy another Mclaren ever again.

Me neither.

Because I obviously can’t afford one and nothing to do with the formula 1 racing team.

Never ever change @AMKC

Tell us how you really feel.

I get that it's all about the constructors championship which is all about the money over winning a driver's championship.

But no one remembers which team won they only remember the driver of that year. It will be a hollow win if they win the constructures yet lose the driver's championship by 5 points at the end. Lando lost 7 points today that he should have.

Remember when Red bull told Max to swap and all he said was no and don't ask again. Everyone shrugged their shoulders and continued on saying that's why he is a champion.

…ahhh

You should probably pay attention to what actually happened rather than take the gaslighting of the British commentators as gospel.

Both Hamilton and the stewards said the collision was just a racing incident, nothing more. Drivers make late moves like that all the time and it doesn't always work out, it's nothing unusual. Lando did it multiple times on Max at Austria, the difference being that Max stayed out of the way instead of turning in and clipping him the way Hamilton did. Max did brake late (technically according to the telemetry he braked at the same time as normal, but misjudged that he was carrying more speed than the previous lap), and he locked up but his trajectory was not towards Hamilton, it was to the inside of him. The contact happened because Lewis turned in and clipped him. The stewards recognised in their conclusion that Lewis could have avoided doing that, and Lewis himself was happy to just call it a racing incident rather than try to blame Max. Nobody directly involved thought it was a big deal.

In the last two years I think Max has been in a total of two collisions, both of which were pretty minor tyre on tyre contacts that the media have blown wildly out of proportion, despite the fact that in both incidents even the other driver involved didn't think it was anything more than a racing incident and didn't blame Max (Lando did at first but changed his mind on reviewing replays and data). I'm not sure there are many drivers on the grid with a cleaner record.

As for turn 1, again it's something you see multiple drivers do regularly at turn 1. And Lando did visibly push him off. Watch the onboard, Max was ahead at the apex and Lando specifically turned his steering wheel to the left in the middle of a right hand turn forcing Max off. The fact that Norris was only doing this to avoid Piastri is not relevant. Max did nothing wrong there and gave the place back anyway, which he probably didn't need to do.

Obviously Max's comments on the radio could have been much better judged, but his complaints were well founded. The car was handling poorly, they've been more and more off the pace of their competitors with each passing race with a car that has been increasingly difficult to drive, just look at where a top quality driver like Perez is ending up recently as he can't drive the wheels off the thing on a knife edge like Max can. Meanwhile the strategy he was put on was a disaster. Hungaroring is well known as being the most difficult tracks on the entire calendar to pass on other than Monaco, so running a strategy that required passing multiple competitive cars was never going to work. It was inevitable Max would get frustrated and some of that would come out.

Honestly I think GP did an absolutely terrible job though. Max's complaining was nothing out of the ordinary for an F1 driver, Lewis is of course most famous for it but Lando does it, Fernando does it, pretty much every driver does it. I think Piastri may be the only driver from the top teams I've never heard bitching over the radio. Honestly it's natural with adrenaline flowing when everything is going against you and you're pushing to the limit. What I've never heard though is an engineer getting passive aggressive and escalating and exacerbating things. Normally the engineer is there to calm things down and get the driver back in the right head space, but GP seemed to just want to antagonise Max further and make the frustration worse as the race went on, it was bizarre. I'd be very curious to know how that debrief went down.

As for your final point about different teams, I don't think chasing performance by moving to whatever team you expect to have the best car defines a great champion. Helping lift your existing team into a competitive place and showing loyalty is equally if not more valid. No two situations are the same so it's a completely arbitrary metric to use honestly.

i have always had good time for Norris but this race showed a dark side to his character….he done everything to steal piastris limelight. not a good look for him at all.

It was a fairly **** race. I don't watch F1 for team radio "drama".

Hopefully Spa we see more racing instead of that bull*hit yesterday. I really hope sky lose the rights the next time they are up for auction. Fcuking atrcious

Lando didn't win as he's not able to get a good start. The tripe from Croft(I think) about Lando's amazing start, so amazing he was lucky not to be third.

We don't need every little "how's things" radio call. It should be kept to any significant

Sky are ruining this season for me. I have a VPN, I'm going to see if i can pick up a broadcast from a different country going forward

Ye actually, i think the sky coverage is the global feed (well for English speaking countries)

Thanks, i'll look in to F1 TV, even if i have to pay for the sub.

The anti Max bias has reached fever pitch. The fact he has been dominating since 2021 has meant they haven't really had a chance to show their true colours.