?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

Well that looks like a bad move by the Dems. I think theyre overreaching and risking coming up with all of nothing, rather than half of everything.

It still hasnt gotten through your skull that Im discussing good/bad strategy here, rather than my personal preferences. I dont much care who wins. I dont have a hat or a flag or a horse in the race. I dont have a vote, and Im not particularly concerned by that increasingly nutty gun filled country. Ive never supported either team. And hope for a return of boring politics.

If you weren't as rude, you would be more tolerable

Repeat after me "What can be unburdened by what has been"

Kinda wondering why people here feel so involved in the US elections.

Is it because strong US ties, relatives over there?

Is it because they may actually be not Irish but US citizens?

Is it because they think its important because US stuff always trickles down to us?

Is it because one feels the need to partake in the general global 'battle' of supposed progressives vs supposed conservatives?

To me personally I really only care what one or the other may mean for European and world security. Ok, in the grand scheme one would always like to see reason and balance and social justice prevail but those values are very subjective. So my point is what would I care whether someone in the US has health insurance or whether abortion is a state or a federal matter or all the other little side battles relevant to the US only? It makes not one iota of a difference to me. And also both sides have been in power over the last 25 years including Trump and the world hasnt really changed much during the reign of either. US will always throw its weight around, will always support Israel no matter what, will always antagonise China and Russia and whatever is the flavour of the month evil state.

So why are boards people on each others throats over Trump or not and who wins the next US election? In comparison they seem much more apathetic towards EU politics and one could argue this has much bigger bearing on us, no?

Democrats have some of the thickest leaders it had to be said. She is as stupid as Biden and his brain is gone.

Suits you sir…

I have friends over there who's lives will be upturned with a Trump presidency.

Also, let's be honest, the Republican party are literally nothing nowadays but entertainment (albeit a "watch with your eyes peering through your fingers" entertainment). Nothing more than a soap opera.

Mark Kelly would be my 2c

No Im talking about white guys who dont want to have to put up with some kind of in your face reverse maga. Which is basically every white male and probably a large share of white women. I think the majority want to return to moderate politics, but if the only options are identity-politics candidates then obviously youre going to be tempted to pick the one that represents you.

A given white male voter might not like trump. But if he foresees 4 years of anti-white-male nonsense being smushed in his face then its kind of tempting to help prevent that by holding his nose and voting trump.

Is it not so?

Its not her color and gender, its the signal that sends about the party.

What closet are you in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/LTYk3ll927

Nikki Haley backs Kamala for the win !

You're literally the only one making it about identity politics. All you've done on the thread is talk about how they shouldn't pick the VP who would naturally be the presumptive next nominee because she's both a racial minority and a woman and that's going to scare white guys away from voting for the Dems because the next four years will be like a Beyonce video which is a selection of words that I can't believe you've now made me have to type twice because it's the stupidest selection of words I've read in a long time.

The best candidate for the job should be chosen. Kamala is the incumbent Vice President, former Senator, former District Attorney, former State Attorney General. But the Dems shouldn't support her because white man be scared?

Maybe spend less time living your life in a Ted Nugent video and join us in the real world.

Are you seriously denying the reality of racial and gender bias in American voting behaviour?

Potus Candidates are chosen not only on their personal merits, but also on their racial and gender profile. This is basic knowledge. Its observable.

If youre in denial of this I dont know what dumb rock youve been living under.

And its not just America. Its the basis of many a coup.

It will be for many undecided voters.

This is what humans do, often not always.

You dont have to like it, but its a reality. We form in groups and out groups, and we look after our own.

You wont be seeing a non-Chinese party leader any time soon. Or a non-Japanese ethnicity pm of Japan. Or a non-Indian ethnicity president of India.

And so on.

And yes the Sunaks and Obamas exist, but that doesnt mean humans dont have this discrimination habit. Those are the exceptions. This instinct exists, and it certainly exists in the U.S. and if you deny it, or its potential in elections then youre delusional.

I think you overplay both the reaction… and also white male voters are a minority.
They are obviously an important demographic, but they are not the only one.

But what completely undermines your position is that if you think that way, why wouldn't women voters or black voters respond if they think Harris is unfairly jumped over… and the election comes down to another white guy… and they stay at home. That's not good either for the Democrats.

I've put the point to you several times, and you have no credible answer.

I believe Ive already mentioned why it doesnt work the same in both directions, although it should be very obvious.

In voting for a theoretical white guy Dem, the minority or female voter gets rid of their nemisis. The Donald.

I cant believe Im this far in to what should be obvious to anyone. This is like beating back a crowd of flat earthers.

”it’s not her color and gender, it’s her gender and color”

Thank you for your contributions.

well yes they laugh because they don’t talk like that, it’s too edumacated for them

Did you read the article? It is from 2019 and actually says…

In short, the notion that Democrats must have a white man to dislodge Trump is based on not much other than fear. Democrats need a competent candidate who can turn out the base, not scare off moderate independents and disenchanted Democrats, and stand up to Trump. 

"In short, the notion that Democrats must have a white man to dislodge Trump is based on not much other than fear. Democrats need a competent candidate who can turn out the base, not scare off moderate independents and disenchanted Democrats, and stand up to Trump. Right now, voters are saying that person is former vice president Joe Biden, who both is extremely well-liked and fits the unproved-but-ingrained hunch that only a white man can beat the white incumbent president.

This week, Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) reminded voters that there is more than one way to slice and dice a dishonest, arrogant white Republican man. She filleted Attorney General William P. Barr, showing she can plan out and carry off a rhetorical knockout. Hey, maybe she can stand up to Trump on that debate stage. Maybe she is the one to rally the African American vote and keep those women who crossed over to vote Democratic in 2018 in the Democrats’ corner in 2020."

That article actually very much viewed Harris as potentially electable. You sure you read it?

No it doesn't. That's the second time you've misrepresented its contents.

You cited an article that contradicted the point you made, that there was no real foundation to it.

You tried to pass off an article as supporting your argument - when it showed the opposite.

Then you seem to think you are owed an apology?

That's textbook bad faith argument.

Of course it proves the racial dynamics I described. Dont deny it.

Stop the silly games. Its too transparent. I know whats up.

It's transparent you haven't read the article, or if you have, you are repeatedly misrepresenting it here.

There is nothing in the article proving them as you described.

The whole point of the article is that it is a perception only, without real foundation.

Here's the conclusion of the article YOU linked, which you are transparently ignoring:

In short, the notion that Democrats must have a white man to dislodge Trump is based on not much other than fear. Democrats need a competent candidate who can turn out the base, not scare off moderate independents and disenchanted Democrats, and stand up to Trump.