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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Yes, it should, and I'm not up to speed on the rules and regulations regarding Irish people and jobs and property purchasing rights in Australia or Canada or the US.....but something tells me it's a little tougher than here!

    And if a nation can help real, genuine asylum seekers, enable skilled workers succeed in their own countries, and also allow skilled workers from outside that country to improve their lives while contributing to that country, how bad?

    But to answer your question, no countries inhabitants should be negatively effected from outsiders. Maybe if we got our own **** together, our people wouldn't need to "take" jobs or houses in other countries. But we're not interested in that here. Let them go, we've replacements on the way!



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Well said, help people where practical. Helping so many, plenty of whom are likely to be exploiting our systems, or lack of, while at the same time destroying your own country isn't the answer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Indeed — though I don't think it's refugees outbidding Irish couples on the 500k 3 bed in Leixlip.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    What'll end up happening is Irish and European citizens will get so fed up we'll end up with a Union wide zero refugee/IPA policy like Denmark who themselves want to go a step further by paying people to leave.

    And that's a shame because another Syrian type war will break out and these people won't allowed in. All because we accepted huge amounts of Georgians, Nigerians, Albania's, Algeria's just to name a few.



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Terrier2023


    not its the vulture funds for Blackrock & Vanguard the guardians and money men of the WEF & their dystopian plans



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,970 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Don't forget George Soros and the Lizard People too



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Lads what does Gript actually stand for or is it just a catchy name?

    https://gript.ie/hello-mary-lou-goodbye-trust/

    Good article here. You won't see this angled peddled by MSM.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Another problem with mass immigration and the taking in of so many asylum seekers, perhaps overlooked, is that their conflicts come with them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Accidental post. Deleted



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    But you seem to be advocating in favour of two positions that are entirely contradictory. If you want migrants who contribute etc then it seems odd to me to also treat them punitively when it comes to buying property when it's obvious that buying a property requires you to be earning a decent wage and to have the finances/documentation required by a bank in order to secure a mortgage. It would seem to me to be a very odd form of social contract to encourage the intake of highly skilled migrants who can contribute to the economy, but also subject them to punitive measures that make it harder for them to actually reap the benefits inherent of being a contributing member of society (i.e. buying their own property).

    Finally, to say that no country's inhabitants should be negatively affected by 'outsiders' is unfortunately just not a realistic way of looking at the world. For example, you cannot on the one hand laud the benefits of skilled migrants (including lauding the contribution of Irish migrants abroad) while also seemingly pretending that we can also have a world where their presence is always kept within some parameter that they be permanently and invariably disadvantaged at every turn to ensure that at no point can they ever buy a property before a native person, avail of a service before a native person, have a school place for their child over native parents' children. To think otherwise is simply not realistic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,520 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    From that article

    "Sinn Fein still stands with the Government, not the community"

    Perfectly summed up

    Referendum all over again



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Well then it's a good job I'm not in Government isn't it? Imagine the mess if that was the case......oh wait.

    I'm for common sense and fairness and against the exploitation of our country by those in it and those entering it.

    If we can reasonably help others while helping our own brilliant. The first shouldn't take precedence over the latter. It's really not that difficult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭moonage


    It might be more appropriate to refer to all these migrant centres as barracks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    What is realistic then? Is it realistic to believe that the numbers entering every week is sustainable? Is it realistic to plant these people into communities quite often against the wishes of those living there, and expect hugs all round.

    Is it realistic to believe that every single "asylum seeker" with their eyes on Ireland is genuine, poses no risk, and has the best wishes of Ireland in mind?

    Is it realistic to think that young Irish people won't be a bit disgruntled at the fact they're constantly outbid when trying to buy a house, by people who have the means to float in and do so.

    Is it realistic to continue to import unskilled people into a country and think that'll strengthen it.

    Perhaps it's more realistic to look at every **** hole across the EU to see where we're headed unless our government, and future governments take their heads out of their arses and lead the country, with the benefit of the country in mind! That'd work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    There are many Irish people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, who are, to all intents and purposes, effectively homeless. They are living with their parents and unable to afford to rent with buying not an option. Official Ireland (FF/FG/GP/Lab/Media/QUANGOs…) doesn't care about them but they'll take their taxes and house/feed the world with their money. They'll get onto the President of the GAA to get him to gaslight them after a sports event. They'll fund the media, hundreds of QUANGOs with their money. If you don't think that's not going to raise anger/resentment among the locals born here then I respectfully disagree.

    Other cultures coming here is a separate issue entirely and, it has to be said, is not a new phenomenon. Ireland has gone from a small percentage of its citizens born in a foreign country to more than a higher percentage than the UK (a country with a colonial barbaric past) and it has occurred in just a couple of decades. Many of these people have integrated well into society but the situation is now reaching different levels with locals living in entire towns/suburbs being outnumbered overnight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Noticed that myself yesterday, I'd love to know who fed him that...." thanks to all you nations that gave our people jobs"

    AKA Irish Joe soap shut your mouth and welcome the world!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Exactly. . . Sport is a form of escapism from people's lives. We all enjoyed the match yesterday but the GAA couldn't help themselves and keep politics out of sport. It was also embarassing that this was broadcast internationally and we are seen to be thanking the world for housing us and giving us jobs. The Irish owe the world sweet FA. Our ancestors went and worked and built countries like the United States.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It shouldn't surprise you considering the GAA have embraced Islam. In the past they were in bed with Catholicism. Two religion's I find are very disrespectful to humanity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭Quags


    Im more than certain some posters in this forum have two accounts 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    No, but vast amounts of rental properties are being paid for by HAP and DSP and DOI money to house thousands of asylum seekers.

    It was well documented in 2022 that student accommodation was used to house Ukrainians forcing rents up in areas such as Tralee for rooms in houses or apartments.

    When the rental market gets that squeezed it has a knock on impact on the house prices.

    Take a look around dublin, gardiner street and mount joy square is basically in the hands of people from far far away. They don't work. So who is paying the rent to the landlords?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Is it the case that Ukrainians are receiving €800 per person per month accommodation allowance (not applicable to citizens of Ireland) from the DoI in addition to €660 per person per month (in Dublin) from the DSP, thus providing a couple with €2920 per month to rent?

    If so how can two Irish nurses, or a nurse and a garda looking to rent compete with that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    No, it's various councils doing that with our money to give them to said refugees.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    People (our TDs and MEPs) need to wake up and realize that the world's problems aren't ours to fix, and definitely not before fixing our country first.

    There's a big difference in housing a Syrian family fleeing actual war, and throwing a country wide open in an apparent free for all to anyone who says the magic words. As I've said before, it certainly doesn't help when save the world ROG advertises us in multiple languages as open for business.

    Just as culpable and more so even are the hoteliers and land owners and everyone involved in facilitating the issue. And if it's taking in the cash for them, sure long may it continue.

    Simon Harris has spoken about common sense on a couple of occasions regarding the numbers coming into the country.

    I'm yet to see any.

    Apart from the obvious security and safety concerns, there's the capacity issue. A lift built for 10 may take 20, but that doesn't mean it should!

    There's no shortage of fields to put tents up in, or disused buildings, but is that really the solution?

    Unlike other EU countries, we're much smaller, and we don't have the numerous large cities that they do, which adds to the charm of our country.

    Those large countries can absorb the largely unskilled people that arrive there. We have Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway etc, and plenty of towns and villages already in need of investment in housing and services.

    We have people who work and can't afford rent or a mortgage, and if they can, they're most likely paying unsustainable and extortionate amounts. There's the issue of trying to obtain a GP in the first place never mind actually getting an appointment.

    And by the way, I've first hand experience of the above as do so many I know!

    We have people who, if they can afford to have children, need to try to secure a school place years before the child is actually due to attend, and good luck with it, and even more luck to you if you're a parent of a special needs child.

    There's a party in Ireland, and the normal Irish person isn't invited. We have parents paying ridiculous amounts for an education for their children but fees are waived for those having "fled" Ukraine and God knows who else, all laughing at us.

    Simon Coveney had a vision of blowing up this country in terms of cities in the future, maybe that's still the vision of his party, but given the numerous disasters this country has seen in terms of planning and actually delivering houses, motorways, hospitals etc, I'd say we're a hundred years away from that.

    Common sense to me would be fixing our own issues before creating more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well I'm not claiming that its realistic to put asylum seekers anywhere and expect hugs all round, am I? Nor have I made any claims in respect of the other apparently rhetorical questions you pose there.

    The fact is though that there does come across in your posts a desire to have a migration system that is very much a perpetual case of having our cake and eating it. You don't want unskilled migrants, you want skilled ones, but you don't want skilled ones to be buying houses and competing with Irish housebuyers, but you apparently have no problem with Irish emigrants competing for property abroad, and you also seem to want a migration system as long as it presents no disadvantage to any Irish person at any point.

    In other words — it seems to me that you want an entirely perfect migration system which involves having only skilled migrants who apparently would be precluded from competing with Irish people for houses and services and at the same time Irish people will still be free to migrate themselves if they so desire and be part of the cause for things which you seem to take issue with migrants in Ireland causing. I'd suggest there might be room for you to consider whether your threshold for what is and is not State competence may be unduly informed by unrealistic expectations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭giseva


    Oh well that's that then. You might pop along to some of the protests and inform the crowds that the Government isn't completely incompetent, it's just that some people have unrealistic expectations and desires for Ireland.

    Asylum seekers, economic or otherwise, and skilled workers coming in or out of the country are different things.

    Asylum seekers aside, and forgetting about the people who may just want to leave and live abroad, but take all the non-national healthcare workers that come here and fill a void left by Irish nurses and doctors for example.

    They wouldn't be required if the Irish could actually afford to live in Ireland. 10 Irish nurses don't want to share accommodation just to cover the extortionate rent, but 10 nurses from the Philippines are more than happy to. You see the problem? Well maybe you don't.

    Nothing against said healthcare workers but they're not doing it for the good of their health, excuse the pun. They're being paid for it. And having personally seen such a group protesting about their visas and the fact their families are still in their countries of origin, guess what's next? More pandering and rule changes to bring their families over, and over time, further dilute Ireland.

    In a tiny country, who's population is increasing from the outside in, it is estimated that 1 in 5 are non Irish born. At what percentage does that bother you, if any? 30? 50?

    The rapidly changing demographic of this country in a time where MSM are telling us the tricolour is now a symbol of the far right, is worrying to say the least. We may as well tear up that proclamation while we're at it. That didn't last long.

    But sure look this is all very one sided, and maybe I'm talking through my arse, what's your view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    irish doctors can afford to live here though, they leave to gain experience in different hospitals and live abroad and nearly all come back - https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41073995.html - this article goes into that. nurses are a different story, but doctors are paid handsomely in ireland and can afford to live here. the new slaintecare package starts at 220k for consultants, i don't think anywhere else in europe pays that much.

    we will always need foreign doctors to come here regardless, it's very hard to staff many of our hospitals, many irish doctors will only want to work in the main dublin hospitals, it's hard to get good doctors out to sligo and tullamore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Surely each country decides on its policies. So if Australia wants a particular set of skills for its country and many Irish people fit that requirement then who are we in Ireland to say whether that is right or wrong?

    You seem to have the idea that if Australia or Canada accepts a number Irish people to contribute to their countries, we are obliged to take a similar number of international workers regardless of whether we have a need or capacity for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Also consider this

    Ukrainians have been going home for medical treatment, they went home en masses for xmas 2022 and 2023 all at our expense. Hundreds of million euro.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    I would argue that a 186% increase in asylum compared with 2019 - a percentage increase considerably different from the 34% EU average - with the majority of asylum seekers (between 50% to 70%) arriving as a result of secondary movement from the EU, warrants discussion of State incompetence, yes!



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