Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Should these rules you speak of also apply to the Irish abroad?

I mean, you talk about Irish migrants mainly contributing to the countries where they are based — which is largely true — but well educated / well trained Irish migrants also means Irish migrants getting well-paid jobs which then throws them directly into the mix in competition with native Australians, Americans, Londoners etc. While refugees put pressure on certain elements of the lower end of the property markets, educated / trained Irish migrants abroad are participating in the same level of the market as educated / train natives who may then find themselves locked out of the market.

Of course, this is only one facet of the complex ways in which migration yields both benefits and negatives but I have found on these discussions that people tend to be nuance-sensitive when the migrants in question are of the Irish variety.

Yes they should - not really a complicated idea.

I think everyone would be happy with an actual immigration policy that worked.

Well hold on a second here, the post I responded to referred to foreigners coming to Ireland and eventually purchasing property — which would invariably mean that they are likely to be working / capable of supporting themselves.

Irish migrants are able to come into a country on high salary and capable of renting relatively high quality property and, if it comes to it, capable of competing with native working / middle class people for purchasing properties which all contributes into property prices remaining inflated. This is one of the major downsides to the "only the best and brightest" policies of right leaning parties who will eventually vilify the best and brightest migrants when they start out-earning and out-bidding native people.

If the poster's suggestion of restricting the ability of migrants in Ireland to purchase property was reciprocated against Irish migrants working abroad, then any Irish migrant thinking of purchasing property abroad would need to come home — and then become yet another addition to the demand which then drives prices upwards in Ireland.

Yes, it should, and I'm not up to speed on the rules and regulations regarding Irish people and jobs and property purchasing rights in Australia or Canada or the US.....but something tells me it's a little tougher than here!

And if a nation can help real, genuine asylum seekers, enable skilled workers succeed in their own countries, and also allow skilled workers from outside that country to improve their lives while contributing to that country, how bad?

But to answer your question, no countries inhabitants should be negatively effected from outsiders. Maybe if we got our own **** together, our people wouldn't need to "take" jobs or houses in other countries. But we're not interested in that here. Let them go, we've replacements on the way!

Indeed — though I don't think it's refugees outbidding Irish couples on the 500k 3 bed in Leixlip.

not its the vulture funds for Blackrock & Vanguard the guardians and money men of the WEF & their dystopian plans

Lads what does Gript actually stand for or is it just a catchy name?

https://gript.ie/hello-mary-lou-goodbye-trust/

Good article here. You won't see this angled peddled by MSM.

Accidental post. Deleted

From that article

"Sinn Fein still stands with the Government, not the community"

Perfectly summed up

Referendum all over again

It might be more appropriate to refer to all these migrant centres as barracks.

There are many Irish people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, who are, to all intents and purposes, effectively homeless. They are living with their parents and unable to afford to rent with buying not an option. Official Ireland (FF/FG/GP/Lab/Media/QUANGOs…) doesn't care about them but they'll take their taxes and house/feed the world with their money. They'll get onto the President of the GAA to get him to gaslight them after a sports event. They'll fund the media, hundreds of QUANGOs with their money. If you don't think that's not going to raise anger/resentment among the locals born here then I respectfully disagree.

Other cultures coming here is a separate issue entirely and, it has to be said, is not a new phenomenon. Ireland has gone from a small percentage of its citizens born in a foreign country to more than a higher percentage than the UK (a country with a colonial barbaric past) and it has occurred in just a couple of decades. Many of these people have integrated well into society but the situation is now reaching different levels with locals living in entire towns/suburbs being outnumbered overnight.

Exactly. . . Sport is a form of escapism from people's lives. We all enjoyed the match yesterday but the GAA couldn't help themselves and keep politics out of sport. It was also embarassing that this was broadcast internationally and we are seen to be thanking the world for housing us and giving us jobs. The Irish owe the world sweet FA. Our ancestors went and worked and built countries like the United States.

Im more than certain some posters in this forum have two accounts 😂

Is it the case that Ukrainians are receiving €800 per person per month accommodation allowance (not applicable to citizens of Ireland) from the DoI in addition to €660 per person per month (in Dublin) from the DSP, thus providing a couple with €2920 per month to rent?

If so how can two Irish nurses, or a nurse and a garda looking to rent compete with that?

People (our TDs and MEPs) need to wake up and realize that the world's problems aren't ours to fix, and definitely not before fixing our country first.

There's a big difference in housing a Syrian family fleeing actual war, and throwing a country wide open in an apparent free for all to anyone who says the magic words. As I've said before, it certainly doesn't help when save the world ROG advertises us in multiple languages as open for business.

Just as culpable and more so even are the hoteliers and land owners and everyone involved in facilitating the issue. And if it's taking in the cash for them, sure long may it continue.

Simon Harris has spoken about common sense on a couple of occasions regarding the numbers coming into the country.

I'm yet to see any.

Apart from the obvious security and safety concerns, there's the capacity issue. A lift built for 10 may take 20, but that doesn't mean it should!

There's no shortage of fields to put tents up in, or disused buildings, but is that really the solution?

Unlike other EU countries, we're much smaller, and we don't have the numerous large cities that they do, which adds to the charm of our country.

Those large countries can absorb the largely unskilled people that arrive there. We have Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway etc, and plenty of towns and villages already in need of investment in housing and services.

We have people who work and can't afford rent or a mortgage, and if they can, they're most likely paying unsustainable and extortionate amounts. There's the issue of trying to obtain a GP in the first place never mind actually getting an appointment.

And by the way, I've first hand experience of the above as do so many I know!

We have people who, if they can afford to have children, need to try to secure a school place years before the child is actually due to attend, and good luck with it, and even more luck to you if you're a parent of a special needs child.

There's a party in Ireland, and the normal Irish person isn't invited. We have parents paying ridiculous amounts for an education for their children but fees are waived for those having "fled" Ukraine and God knows who else, all laughing at us.

Simon Coveney had a vision of blowing up this country in terms of cities in the future, maybe that's still the vision of his party, but given the numerous disasters this country has seen in terms of planning and actually delivering houses, motorways, hospitals etc, I'd say we're a hundred years away from that.

Common sense to me would be fixing our own issues before creating more.