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USA 2024 presidential election

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    #932
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412336#Comment_122412336

    Huh: I guess if in doubt, misogyny? Running a country is serious stuff for serious men?

    Which, given IIRC nearly 50% of White Women voted Trump in 2016, may yet work TBH. It is the backbone of the conservative movement.



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    #933
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412336#Comment_122412336

    One of many creepy things about CFTrump, is that he never laughs. He makes fun of others but only ever gets that sh1t-eating grin on his face when he thinks he's been clever.



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    #934
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412415#Comment_122412415

    Yes he is one of those people who doesn't seem to have a sense of humour. His idea of humour is being cruel about someone else. On the other hand he is sometimes unintentionally funny.



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    #935
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412415#Comment_122412415

    Why stop at Trump? There's a pretty solid argument IMO that humour trends Left anyway, because it often laughs at ourselves as a release value, or at social "betters" as a way to diminish their status. Trump lives in apartments festooned with gold plating, while the MAGA & conservative movement, by definition, refuses any kind of social progression or self-interrogation. All the right can do is laugh downward and other people deemed lesser - which in Trump's case is everyone so only ever laughs out of cruelty.



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    #936
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412441#Comment_122412441

    Sometime ago, he referred to Hannibal Lector as a real person - clearly believing it himself. In his acceptance speech, he again referred to the late great Hannibal Lector as someone who would love to have you for dinner - and got a laugh from a joke well rehearsed. This defuses the former gaffe. Against Biden, that was OK.

    However, he has loads of examples of lies and gaffes that can be unearthed and used against him. Most emphasise his detachment from reality and the truth. Recommending cures for Covid - like drinking bleach - and apparently meaning it. He is dangerous. He personifies that his morality is that of an alley cat, and he can be destroyed for moderate voters.

    Add to that, he is 78 years old - and so is older the Biden was 4 years ago. If elected, he will be the oldest President on inauguration day. That cannot be denied. Plus, he is visibly beginning to show signs of senility that Biden is showing currently. Bill Clinton is the same age and was elected President 28 years ago - and currently looks all of his 78 years. Dems just need to keep pointing out that it is his condition in four years time - not now - that matters.

    Three word slogans will not cut it this time.



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    #937
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412550#Comment_122412550

    Add to that, he is 78 years old - and so is older the Biden was 4 years ago. If elected, he will be the oldest President on inauguration day. That cannot be denied. Plus, he is visibly beginning to show signs of senility that Biden is showing currently. Bill Clinton is the same age and was elected President 28 years ago - and currently looks all of his 78 years. Dems just need to keep pointing out that it is his condition in four years time - not now - that matters.

    You have to imagine all those Democrat proxies & viral mouth-pieces are about to really ramp up this narrative; 'cos with the best will in the world they likely stayed their hand precisely because of Biden's own age & the GOP's focus on that as a point of criticism. The gloves can now come off, and hypocritical or not I'd be surprised if we don't see a sudden surge in Trump is too old narratives. Coupled with freeze-frames of him looking tired, or further emphasis on his many gaffs.



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    #938
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412483#Comment_122412483

    It's the whole "Punching up and not down" thing.

    Right wingers punch down - They mock those less fortunate than themselves , make fun of them etc. which simply isn't funny , it's just cruel.

    Punching Up - Railing against the elite , the establishment etc. tends to be far more effective comedically speaking.



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    #939
    Brussels Sprout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336604#Comment_122336604

    I believe we are now on the final stage from that tweet 19 days ago



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    #940
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412659#Comment_122412659

    For sure. Art (and thus, comedy) requires us to introspect, and look or laugh at our foibles or failings. So through that interrogation we grow, and learn empathy or to change our perspectives. And the one thing I notice about American Conservatives, they are pathologically incapable of either self-examination or awareness. Indeed to even call them "conservative" is in some respects being charitable, 'cos in of itself a desire for the status quo is not automatically a terrible idea - but rather, MAGA et al instead desire a regression towards a social construct to something predating the invention of the airplane.



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    #941
    AbusesToilets
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    It'll be interesting to see how Harris performs now as the candidate, what if any improvement she's made since 2019. I don't think she would have won an open primary, at least based off her previous efforts. Tulsi Gabbard destroyed her bid in about 2mins the last time out, and I imagine that's been on her campaigns mind. She will need proxies to do a lot of heavy lifting for her.



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    #942
    Rjd2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412336#Comment_122412336

    They will just tie Biden to her.

    Biden was not a popular president and she was obviously a key part in that administration.

    She was also given the border something which is clearly something the Dems are losing on.

    Their is other stuff conservatives care about such as her stance on fracking and the filibuster.

    People may approve of those positions but the idea that the GOP have no plan for Harris is just MSNBC silliness.



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    #943
    Rjd2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412842#Comment_122412842

    She is a word salad machine at times for sure, I think they may try and lean into it though which in 2024 is probably the way rather than ignore it. Clearly will help when her opponent rambles incoherently all the time.



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    #944
    AbusesToilets
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    She needs to demonstrate a similar command of foreign policy issues that Biden has, even now. Show that she is a heavyweight politician. Clear messaging regarding the economy and the difficulties people are still facing. Side with people over business and call out the profiteering. The recent pledge to cap rent increases is great. Federally legalize marijuana. Continue tackling student loans debt. Easy winners for her.

    I wish the Democrats would actually run on a platform of progressive ideals. Healthcare, the environment, education. Give folks something to be hopeful about.



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    #945
    blackwhite
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412960#Comment_122412960

    A lot of Harris' current image is still drawn from peoples' impressions of her during the 2020 campaign. It was the height of anti-law enforcement sentiment in the US, and there was a conscious effort from both Harris and the Democrats in general to downplay her track record as DA in San Francisco and as AG for California.

    Her achievements in both offices were significant, and I'd imagine that they'll lean into them a lot more this time around. Efforts to portray her as a lightweight can be knocked back significantly by pointing to her decade and a half running significant public offices before she was elected as a Senator.



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    #946
    Sleepy
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    There's lots to focus on for the Dems with Kamala v Trump:

    Young v "Oldest ever confirmed candidate"

    Prosecutor of Sex Pests v Known Rapist

    Part of an Administration that created jobs and has a roaring economy versus a man whose businesses have gone bankrupt half a dozen times and who destroyed the economy during his "failed term".



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    #947
    AbusesToilets
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412994#Comment_122412994

    https://youtu.be/Y4fjA0K2EeE?feature=shared

    At 4:00 min, Gabbard goes after Harris's record pretty savagely. Her history as a DA and AG in California is fairly controversial, and a definite weak point for her.

    This article from 2020 goes into some detail on it.

    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

    A close examination of Harris’s record shows it’s filled with contradictions. She pushed for programs that
    helped people find jobs instead of putting them in prison, but also
    fought to keep people in prison even after they were proved innocent.
    She refused to pursue the death penalty against a man who killed a
    police officer, but also defended California’s death penalty system in
    court. She implemented training programs to address police officers’
    racial biases, but also resisted calls to get her office to investigate
    certain police shootings.

    She brought in some progressive reform policies, but her office also pursued some frankly vindictive seeming efforts to keep innocent people incarcerated. It's a very mixed bag.



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    #948
    blackwhite
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413047#Comment_122413047

    California elected her as a Senator directly after her decade and a half as DA and then AG.
    Her record is only really controversial with the very left wing within the US who’s natural position is to opposed most elements of law enforcement. It could be an issue for her if she had to fight through the Democratic Primaries and needed to win over the Sanders block - but now it’s the full American electorate she needs to be concerned about.

    Being able to sell a strong law and order position is a major plus when it comes to winning middle America



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    #949
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413047#Comment_122413047

    Ultimately though will it really matter? If it's gonna be Harris it'll be with the understanding she is gonna be the continuity candidate. I'm gonna presume the narrative will be Harris is gonna pursue all the promises and proposals set by Biden - and, perhaps most crucially, will maybe retain the existing personnel running the current show.



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    #950
    AbusesToilets
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413178#Comment_122413178

    It could matter in terms of turnout, especially in black communities. Republicans have been making in roads among them, the anti LGBT message finds purchase with a lot of church going folks, and they'd obviously be sensitive to issues around policing and the criminal system.



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    #951
    Brussels Sprout
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    Another significant endorsement

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    #952
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413192#Comment_122413192

    At this stage, I don't see what else the Democrats could do, if Biden was that untenable as a president. The replacement was gonna either be a continuity candidate or some wild swing towards a brand new face; Biden's age was the explicit problem that was apparently inescapable after the first debate ... so stood to reason the former was chosen as the safest bet. The "voters" and Democratic zeitgeist have got their wish - at this late stage this was never gonna be a silver bullet and specific demographics can't really figure.



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    #953
    PsychoPete
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413047#Comment_122413047

    They'll probably go after her for the immigration problem aswell, wasn't she charged with finding the cause why so many are entering the US illegally? Anyone in that position was probably going to fail to be honest. She will be in for a lot of attack



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    #954
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    SO will this be the attack road the Republicans will take?

    What an absolutely vile woman Loomer is.

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