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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I don't think the needle is going to shift all that much for her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,288 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It'd be a Hail Mary if she \ Democrats were consistently 10-20 points behind in the polls or we were a week to the election.
    This is more like they are a goal down with the second half to play.

    The election isn't until November, the Dems haven't even had their convention, formally confirmed her as candidate, made use of their campaign war chest, rolled out their VP.

    She needs a 3-5% swing to her (including swing states) to win, if I'm reading the polls you linked correctly.

    That seems very do-able.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Unsatisfied with the pound of flesh, Moore wants the whole thing

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-moore-calls-on-biden-to-resign-from-office-after-praising-selfless-act-of-exiting-race/

    I mean, if he did step down that would only bolster Harris as the presumptive nominee, and having been advanced to being the incumbent POTUS herself. And would immediately force Republicans to prove they don’t care about the continuity of government or not regarding the confirmation of a new VP.

    It wouldn’t change her ability to serve two terms either, the constitution sets the limit at 2 terms + 2 years for this very reason. (Amendment XXII)

    I don’t see Biden electing this route least of all before Harris has selected a VP, to do what Moore suggests now would throw the selection of a VP functionally to Congressional Republicans who either wouldn’t confirm anyone or would only confirm a plant of theirs. (Amendment XXV)

    If it does happen it gives Harris a chance to remind the USA what a younger presidential president looks like one who is neither a septeguinarian or octogenarian and/or a right wing troll.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    This is more like they are a goal down with the second half to play.

    Yeap, and then the manager subs himself on to replace their star man to show him how to do it.

    That seems very do-able.

    Unlikely. She is untested nationally and flopped in the Democratic primary. I don't see her resonating with folks in Pennsylvania for example.

    Of, there is a chance, but let's not take a chance for a reasonable well thought strategy.

    The Democrats were in disarray since the first debate and even at this late stage, still dont know what is going on. Its chaotic, and one of Bidens main aims after a Trump presidency was calmness and order. This is not that.




  • Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Harris is tested nationally she was on a winning ticket in 2020 and the winning primary ticket in 2024.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yea, and that is why her approval ratings are the same as Bidens… even worse than Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Biden always gave me the impression of a likeable guy.

    Harris comes across as unlikeable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,288 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    She may not do it… but putting someone in who is there or thereabouts to the margin of error of polls… before she is even started campaigning properly… you are exaggerating significantly the deficit she has to turn around.

    A VP isn't in the same spotlight as the Presidential candidate obviously but given that she was on the national ticket as a VP, she has undergone a national test of sorts.

    I asked you earlier why, if Harris such a poor candidate not just nationally but within Democratic circles, even at this stage, the likes of Newsom, Whitmer showed no interest in a 2024 run.
    And if not them… then who are these Democratic candidates that would have more chance of beating Trump, and why don't they think they can beat Harris?

    You had no answer.

    Seems like alternative strategies would still come up with Harris in 2024 to succeed Biden.

    Look at who the Democrats have picked when a VP was in the mix before…
    They picked Carter's VP Mondale in 1984.
    1988 no VP in mix.
    They picked Gore.
    2004 no VP in mix.
    2008 no VP in mix.
    They likely would have picked Biden but for his family situation in 2016.
    They picked Biden in 2020.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭gossamerfabric


    How would you rate her on a scale of unlikeability from 0 to Trump? That is what she is competing with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Its a great day for recreational conspiracies, does Biden know yet he bowed out? what a timeline, better than anything Hollywood could do

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 909 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I'm pretty sure Biden should be finding out within the next couple of hours, then maybe again tomorrow



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,647 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    $50m in small donations in one day is very impressive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    then they can go to Jill where she says "you did what" there is a ciccrular beauty to it

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭thatsdaft


    Does that senile old man call Trump know that Biden is not in race?

    Who wants to tell him and try to get the news through his dementia??

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/22/us/politics/trump-truth-social-biden-drop-out.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9E0.CoT4.E4qeGpeYXgrS&smid=url-share

    Biden Is Out of the Race. Trump Is Still Attacking Him.

    In his posts since Mr. Biden’s announcement, Mr. Trump has so far not taken direct aim at Kamala Harris, who is seeking the Democratic nomination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Meh , this is earth shattering stuff about Biden and you bring Trump into it, stay focused!

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭thatsdaft


    Trump is the only senile old man running in this election now

    As per thread title

    The fact that Trump hasn’t yet realised that his previous opponent stepped down is important don’t you think?

    It’s an indication of low energy and possibly dementia

    And you want to trust Trump with the nuclear briefcase?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Speaker Mike Johnson has been saying that there may be legal actions to keep Kamala Harris off ballot papers in some states.

    The latest in voter suppression, in this case dressed up as faux concern for due democratic process.

    The Republican Party is sffering from terminal brain rot.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/election-denier-mike-johnson-claims-162401691.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALaR2ueKjy5p0xWndvrMWrhfvTLeKoC2N8HkEvT9ZNybj6fR8Ygld7AEWYNjmIVv3jNCbWBoSi_ESqWKyRuAzXBeqkGt295Cu7fBfSdHSZuurbN0EMiWQRiF2bAUWyki9i87DAnxXCSqp69QaF2HJ2IB5YnZ8l99zLRhv8t1M4Fy



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭nachouser


    If Harris is to be the nominee, then spend the next few months only doing interviews with as many friendly, sympathetic reporters, late night TV hosts etc as possible. If there's a debate, Trump likely won't be capable of pinning her down on anything in her past as D.A. It's inanimate carbon rod time. Don't give the Conservative media anything to work with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 The 4 Stooges


    We didn't underestimate Trump. We overestimed Americans - Ed Byrne.

    Wish Mrs Michelle Obama would throw her hat in the ring.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Much to the chagrin of those shilling for them, will have to see what November brings for the states.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,191 ✭✭✭threeball


    The Republicans are gone in to meltdown today. From a position of basing their entire campaign on attacking a slightly older less energetic man they now are having to pivot and actually come up with a plan to deal with Harris and they still don't know the VP choice.

    Everything from forcing Biden to step down to lawsuits are being threatened and it very much looks like some panic has set in. Everyone knows the mental midget can't handle a debate against a decent speaker and he'll avoid it by saying she's an illegitimate pick.

    Hopefully they can put a good VP candidate in place to piece up that opportunist bluffer Vance and we can all move past Trump. He'll be sitting in his nappy **** his days away in 4yrs time. Doubt any of his vile offspring will be volunteering to nurse him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    given the overreaction by Republicans they don’t need to be in a rush to name the VP either. The republicans aren’t exactly keeping their powder dry and are throwing everything at the wall today. Let them talk themselves into a corner and then name a VP that makes them flat footed yet again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭badabing106


    The republicans are going to have alot of ways to derail Kamala

    Kamala has just 3 month's to campaign !!

    Kamala has zero campaigning experience at all !! All her roles were handed to her without campaign.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I asked you earlier why, if Harris such a poor candidate not just nationally but within Democratic circles, even at this stage, the likes of Newsom, Whitmer showed no interest in a 2024 run.

    If I was one of them, why would I jump in at this late stage in order to catch a Hail Mary pass?

    Trump is still the favourite to win, and at this stage is still most likely to be the president come January 2025.

    The smart play is to wait till 2028 and do a proper well-thought-out campaign.

    If they bet the house to try and overturn Trump now, then they are most likely finished politically and damaged goods.

    Also, this is not my opinion, but the opinion of many others. Larry Donnelly has mentioned this reason a few times before, that many top Democratic contenders don't want to go up against Trump at this late stage and gamble it all.

    So the Democrats offer up Harris to the wolves, if she makes it, the gamble pays off, if she doesn't, well oh well, they tried… she is finished and, well they have Newsom, Whitmer etc.. untainted to offer in 2028.

    And if not them… then who are these Democratic candidates that would have more chance of beating Trump, and why don't they think they can beat Harris?

    I personally think Michelle Obama would easily beat Trump, but she doesn't have much interest in the job.

    The likes of Newsom, I don't know. A California governor won't resonate that much with middle America. Whitmer would do well. They need to pick someone 'normal' and who doesn't come across as a caricature politician.

    One thing that Harris could do, is nominate someone like Sanders or say Andrew Wang as VP, which would raise a few eyebrows and would not be a typical Democratic elite establishment pick.

    The Democrats appear to be to be still doing politics as if it's 2016, not 2024, they need to widen the talent pool and go for centrist positions that will resonate with swing voters and independents.

    I asked this some while back, but why have the Democrats lost the blue-collar working-class vote? Certain Unions are supporting Trump, something that would have been unheard of even 4 years ago. The tides are shifting and there is a re-alignment in US politics. The Democrats need to go for 'Celebrity' or someone normal. Harris aint that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Look at who the Democrats have picked when a VP was in the mix before…
    They picked Carter's VP Mondale in 1984.
    1988 no VP in mix.
    They picked Gore.
    2004 no VP in mix.
    2008 no VP in mix.
    They likely would have picked Biden but for his family situation in 2016.
    They picked Biden in 2020.

    When was the last time a Democratic VP was elected to power following a Democratic president. Would it be LBJ, following JFK. Before that it was Truman following FDR.

    2 very difference situations.

    The history does not show Harris to be a good choice.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The Trump base is very different to the Democratic base.



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