FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

We have a Justice Minister???????

She didn't light it so I'd imagine.

Does she drive a fire engine?

Again, constantly repeating the incorrect things you've repeatedly stated doesn't make them any more correct. They are still wrong and your claims that EU member states have no obligations to asylum seekers are wrong.

Denmark are legally obliged to accepted an request for asylum, they always have been and they have always honoured that commitment.

This is what you said;

We have no actual binding obligation to do anything with asylum policy. As, again, can be seen with Denmark

We do have binding obligations to do with asylum policy, just like Denmark does.

As for me claiming Ireland cant do what Denamrk did, please quote me where I said that. My understanding is the Government are trying to do that but people like you and the Cookock protesters are actively trying to stop them doing that.

From my very first post on the topic I said "Ireland needs to copy Denmark's recent policies which have successfully reduced their intake of asylum seekers by 90%".

You were the one who came into the thread claiming this was impossible because of "obligations".

Obligations which when asked to list the relevant laws for you've repeatedly failed to do so. Because you're clearly just parroting a line you have no actual fact based knowledge of.

Our government are very much not trying to follow Denmark's lead here, they've announced none of the above easily enacted, effective, policies for Ireland. But they could do so tomorrow if they were even a little bit more competent, and it would do wonders.

Theres nobody stopping them from doing so other than misinformed types like yourself claiming we can't reduce the number of asylum seekers we take in because of "obligations".

We don't have any binding obligations to let in the current level of asylum seekers, exactly as I claimed. You're the one who claimed we did, but failed to provide any facts to back this claim up when asked.

Building "reception centres for asylum seekers" is not the Danish policy. Did you even read the bullet points related to asylum centers in that post?

• Every asylum seeker in Denmark is entitled to meals and shelter
  in an asylum centre. An asylum seeker may enter into a contract with the
  asylum center to participate in certain activities, attend classes
  and/or perform work. Signing this contract entitles him to an additional
  allowance. In the event of non-compliance with the contract, the
  allowance will be reduced or withdrawn. Those who are still awaiting a
  decision on whether their asylum application will be processed in
  Denmark receive a lower allowance. Asylum seekers with a minimal risk of
  persecution in the country of origin receive free meals and shelter,
  but no allowance.
• Centers for asylum are mainly
  aimed at at remigration to the country of origin. People whose asylum
  applications have been rejected are transferred to austere centers.

None of the key, punitive, measures in that apply to the proposed Irish asylum centers.

As to "Imagine the government shouting from the rooftops that we will give asylum seekers €20,000. Jesus christ, talk about opening the flood gates" I'd ask - do you perhaps have reading difficulties? I don't want to be too harsh here if you do, but the bullet point relating to that very clearly stated: "Asylum seekers who voluntarily return to their country of origin or the country where their family currently resides receive a return compensation of up to DKK 150,598 (approximately EUR 20,000)." Its not "giving asylum seekers €20,000" as a gift.

Given the state is spending at the least €40k per year for every asylum seeker in our system I can guarantee very few people in the country would have a problem with a policy that offered half of that single year cost for an asylum seeker to leave and never come back instead.

We don't have any legal obligations to let in 30,000 (and increasing rapidly) asylum seekers a year. You've posted no specific legal obligations to defend this claim, despite declaring they existed repeatedly.

You posted a link to Hungary getting fined for requiring asylum seekers to register in a specific location. Thats not a policy I suggested, or one that Denmark has implemented. It was a rather obvious attempt to move the goal posts.

The Danish system is far more punitive than our current Irish system, which is why it has worked to drastically reduce numbers. "Free accomodation and free meals" is not the punitive part of those two bullet points.

You having multiple grammatical errors in your response to the reading difficulties question doesn't exactly back up your denial. So again I will say apologies for being harsh here if you're apparently differently abled. But the idea that paying asylum seekers to leave and never return increases number in the system just isn't backed up by the real world data. Its particularly stupid as a theory when you consider the costs involved for an asylum seeker to get from Africa (or elsewhere) to Ireland. Do note again Danish numbers dropping by 90% after implementing this and similar policies.

Thats in direct contrast to our numbers arriving in Ireland increasing rapidly every year, while our current government flails around failing to implement any policies to reduce numbers.

I don't have time to find old links I posted previously in the refugee thread but Denmark treatment of IPAs has been found to be in breach of EU law.

Further it's been reported thousand of IPAs have gone missing from their detention centres, presumed now seeking asylum elsewhere or living undocumented elsewhere in Europe.

They haven't reduced the numbers seeking asylum so much as push them elsewhere in Europe.

Surprise surprise... I mean, who could have predicted this. This government really are incompetent beyond all belief.

Why are you persisently lying about this topic? You've posted one link, not multiple links. And the one link you posted was to a EU multi-country agreement, not a specific law relevant to the topic. It showed no legal obligation.

We have no legal obligation to accept any person who claims asylum at our border. Again, please show the specific law that you think applies here. You haven't "spoon fed" anything because you've been unable to link to a single, specific, law to back up your repeated claims.

Denmark refused 56% of asylum applications who presented in 2020. It refused 41% of asylum applications in 2021[1]. They have no legal obligation to accept "any person who claims asylum", just the same as Ireland.

Denmark brought in the €20,000 payment in 2019[2]. The rest of their policies were brought in at varous stages between 2015 and 2020. You can Google each individual one for yourself.

[1]http://refugees.dk/en/facts/numbers-and-statistics/what-are-the-chances-of-being-granted-asylum/
[2]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-firm-returning-refugees-war-torn-syria-2021-04-27/

Well actually, they are trying to build an asylum centre in Coolock at the Crown Paints location.

That is what Denmark have done, but you object to that?

I came on this thread to ask government party supporters what they think will be the approach to dealing with violent protests and arson?

I thought you supported "peaceful" protests?

They are firmly in do-nothing mode until the election in November. In fact they have done nothing for a long time. Remember they announced 6 immigration processing centres across the country? No follow through.

Dont blame me for your inability to read. We'll try again though.

In 2019, Denmark had 2,700 applications and in 2022 they had 4,565. So tell me again how giving €20,000 to asylum seekers is a good idea?