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?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Harris looked great on TV this evening - very early days I know but if she fights an election the way she grills people in an enquiry this is gonna be a great battle



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    White men need to take a back seat, they have ruined everything for long enough already, in fact men in general need to be sidelined. An all female ticket would be great



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Only issue with Kelly is that he does nothing particularly to engage with the eastern swing states. His anti-gun stance could also alienate a lot of gun owning moderates.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    And how will Trump and Vance enforce this lack of medical treatment? Some form of executive order? Or will the appropriate people have to also win the congressional elections? And how will that apply to states like California which protect gender affirming care, much as they protect marijuana, contrary to congress's position on the matter? I get the talking points, but the practical realities of actually enforcing things are… difficult. Biden certainly had a number of opinions on things he wanted to get done, varying from student debt cancellation to gun control. Trump didn't exactly get his full wall built either, since Congress didn't give him the funds. He tried to ban bump stocks, only to discover that congress needs to do it. Etc.

    As for folks in the executive agencies, well, that's typical enough. Every change of administration comes with a change in leadership. And, unfortunately enough, in policy. Witness the FCC's position on net neutrality flip-flopping depending on who got placed there by Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden.

    And, yes, if 'it's up to states to decide', then it seems to me that the relevant operation is the state election. Trump can be as Presidential and dictatorial as he likes on the matter, that has little effect in California.

    Oh, I'm sure that society wouldn't function as well without those departments functioning correctly, but (a) I don't think the President has the ability to unilaterally abolish the organisation without Congressional support, so come four years down the line, any changes can be reversed, (b) I can't imagine any changes would have effect on day 1 so damage is even more limited, and (c ) some of those departments don't affect people much on a daily basis anyway. I mean, Dept of Education was established in 1980, it's not as if the country didn't run before then. My kid's curriculum is administered and run by the State, not DoEd. Project 2025 still envisions retaining the DoJ and federal taxes (though I'm not sure which organisation they plan on administering the taxes). I'll lay money the power will still be on in my house if DoEn is shut down. And so on.

    Basically for the Parade of Horribles to come to pass, there has to be such a monumental balls-up by Democrats and moderate Republicans that they set the conditions for far-right control at multiple echelons of the government system over a period of time, from Senate down through city council. It's not a 'Trump-only' concern. And if the Democrats do balls it up to that extent, I guess the US gets what the people want, which would evidently be not what the Democrats want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    idk as a NASA pilot he could maybe even put Florida in play.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Yes yes I know it’s the Daily Mail -but it’s a “good” read from the perspective that it outlines the main controversies Harris has been involved in through the years and the key criticisms that you’re likely to hear repeated by republicans over the coming months


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13659413/kamala-harris-biden-trump-nomination.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the age gap was less of a taboo back then. Remember when Tom Hanks starred in Big (and portrayed a child having sex with an adult woman)? Or when Trump flew with Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly slept with an adolescent girl? Yikes. The late 80s/early 90s were a wild time for everyone it seems. Harris having a relationship with an older man at age 29 seems the least of it. This may not turn out how MAGA hopes this angle will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Before I get into this, have you read much of Project 2025? Not about it, but the actual 922 page document?

    It's available to read here:

    https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Plenty of other “gaffs” outlined in the article - hopefully she’ll get her speeches tightened up- she’s an awful one for the mixed metaphors or “word salad” sort of gaffes- needs to watch that in a live TV debate if going ahead



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭Babyreignbow


    If a thousand suns were to rise
    and stand in the noon sky, blazing,
    such brilliance would be like the fierce
    brilliance of that mighty Self.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭thatsdaft


    spot on again, whoever runs this account is on fire



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I still think there should be a contest for the nomination. Passing it on like a peerage looks and feels bad to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    There will be. Just no one else has declared yet (as they will in all likelihood, lose.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,612 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    30 years older. That's not fair. Melania is only fecking 24 years younger than me. I want a refund.

    Just wait til the rest of the world learns that Jill Biden once told Kamala to "go fuck yourself". Dynamite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,706 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    She is great with the old word salads I can see why Joe picked her



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I love how all your posts are just tweet dumps and it appears you’re really digging all the way into that orifice to find any thing that looks nuggety - 2022?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes 2022, because that the last time they left her out of the basement.

    Its laughable the Democrats rallying around a woman they effectively treated like a leper for most of Bidens term.

    Thats what happens when you play gender politics to pick a VP.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Of course not, it's over 900 pages long.

    What I have done is read any specific section relating to a topic at hand, such as "abolish the IRS" (which seems rather absent, actually). So, for the example of trans-gender, look at pp 450, 474-475, 489, 495-496, almost all of which are policy statements, and any practical applications are administrative in nature such as "CMS should repromulgate its 2016 decision that CMS could not issue a National Coverage Determination (NCD) regarding “gender reassignment surgery” for Medicare beneficiaries," which are situations which, being an executive regulation, have already been reversed before and can be again. Probably because the writers realise that to make major change, they need acts of congress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I don’t think adult/child relationships were more acceptable in the 80s.
    But you seem to miss the point, possibly deliberately, on Harris’s relationships with older influential men. The issue for most people is the quid pro quo. What she got in return

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    to the unemployment insurance appeals board and medical assistance commission.

    This has been known about her for what about 20 years (?) since she ran for DA in 2004 (and won), and AG (where again, she won) and to the Senate (won, again), and to the vice presidency (take a guess, nevermind: she won)

    Despite his claims that he maybe helped her get those 2 committee roles she earned 3 elected offices by herself and 1 as partner to Joe Biden.

    Her opponent meanwhile was handed everything, like “a small loan of a million dollars” and a get out of draft free card. He certainly was never elected to anything before buying his way up to the presidency. I don’t think this hurts her much like it didn’t hurt the ticket much in 2020, clearly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Delete



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I never said that particular issue was a “smoking gun” which would take her out. Nor am I saying this behaviour is unique to any political party/side/team.

    Merely refocusing the discussion on the main issue people raise with her dating history. I.e. sleeping with people for career advantage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I don’t have a problem with that discussion just talking that discussion out. IMHO I don’t think it hurts her that much when reviewed in current light.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm slowly going through it, and it is scary stuff.

    "children suffer the toxic normalization of transgenderism with drag queens and pornography invading their school libraries"

    That is bonkers of the highest calibre. I wish we had a separate thread, or there was a forum dedicated to discussing it, because, as you say, it's dense. There are 111 mentions of the word "gender" and 13 instances of "transgenderism." For such a small percentage of people that actually are trans, it beggars belief that they occupy so much room in the Republican mindset. Loot at this egregious example of what they believe:

    "Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare."

    Madness.

    Back to my issues with Trump (via friends in the US)

    Project 2025, page 584

    Restrict the application of Bostock. The new Administration should
    restrict Bostock’s application of sex discrimination protections to sexual
    orientation and transgender status in the context of hiring and firing.

    That's achievable through an executive order, I believe.

    Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination on the basis
    of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, and
    sex characteristics. The President should direct agencies to rescind
    regulations interpreting sex discrimination provisions as prohibiting
    discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity,
    transgender status, sex characteristics, etc.

    Also achievable through an executive order, I believe.

    Page 62:

    The President should immediately revoke Executive Order 1402041 and every
    policy, including subregulatory guidance documents, produced on behalf of or
    related to the establishment or promotion of the Gender Policy Council and its
    subsidiary issues. Abolishing the Gender Policy Council would eliminate central
    promotion of abortion (“health services”); comprehensive sexuality education
    (“education”); and the new woke gender ideology, which has as a principal tenet
    “gender affirming care” and “sex-change” surgeries on minors.

    That's one that directly affects my friends son, and doesn't have to go through the senate/congress.

    There's 199 mentions of abortion, and none of the are good. From cracking down on them, to withholding foreign aid lest it be used to procure abortions.

    __________________________________

    In the education section (page 323) it says the following:

    Stopping executive overreach. Congress should set policy—not
    Presidents through pen-and-phone executive orders,
    and not agencies
    through regulations and guidance. National emergency declarations should
    expire absent express congressional authorization within 60 days after the
    date of the declaration.

    heh heh heh.. because the very next time "executive orders" comes up is, page 357 (still in education)

    NEW EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD ISSUE

    (I'm sadly not surprised about this)

    I was interested to see if they had any policies on art, and after searching through the document I found zero results to the word "arts".

    There is however, 4 instances of the term, "aborted baby body parts".

    Hmmmm…



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    there’s a whole project 2025 thread in fact to go into deeper dives



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Kamala Harris campaign announces raising record $81m in first 24 hours of candidacy



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