Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

You rule out people with convictions standing for election in America and you'd get highly politicised convictions occurring constantly.

So many other people in American politics should have convictions against them but don't as they can cheat the system.

Clinton is the same level of sleazebag as Trump is it's just he's been better at covering it up because he's from the right political party.

both sides nonsense

That's the pick that really needs to be scrutinized. Drill baby drill, into why Trump picked him.

The key point hidden in there is that he won't debate with Harris. At least he has some sense of his own abilities.

Trump’s a shoe in now . I lived in America during an election and they will never vote a woman into the presidency

we very nearly did. Hillary was just unlikable and didn’t campaign in swing states like she needed to. Don’t think this criticism flies anymore.

All I remember between Obama and Clinton were that they , all white blue collar , would rather have a black man than a woman . Would Hillary run again ?

It would take something outrageous to happen at this stage for her not to be the nominee. Basically every single heavy hitter has come out to support her, including every single one of the likely competition for the job.

Obama's message was the same as during 2020. He sees himself as the elder statesman of the party and doesn't take sides until the decision is official. He'll be all over supporting Harris once it is.

Looking at the VP options, it's hard to look past Shapiro.

Trump seems to be confident that he has enough votes without needing to make too many overtures toward the middle ground. Whether or not this is a correct calculation remains to be seen. It seems important to Trump and his team that his administration will be staffed with MAGA from top to bottom. No more pesky individuals who prioritise things like the US Constitution over Trump's personal wishes. That's why relative moderates like Pence are out (not that he'd want back in when a gaggle of pro-Trump people wanted to hang him the last time), and why another Trump presidency should be a worrying concept to every undecided American voter.

The other thing is that the co-chair of the Republican party said earlier this year that the party planned on hiring a load of partisan poll watchers and poll workers in swing states. I suppose those will be the people tasked with handling the 'bags of crap' that Trump talked about. And if those poll workers are hired and work the election and the election does go to Trump, the Democrats will possibly call the result into question, but won't have a leg to stand on if Trump can gut the various government administrations, replacing them with loyalists, so that any Democratic calls for an investigation won't go far.

I've posted about this second point a few times, and can provide a quote from the RNC co-chair, if anyone is interested, but the response is always crickets 'til now. Is no one else here concerned about that at all, and if not, why not?

I hope you are correct.

while Kelly be great pick I don’t think they will pick him as it makes a potential hole in senate which democrats can’t afford, same for other senators

Possibly, but I would say that the presidency is important enough to risk losing a senatorial seat, even if it means losing control of the Senate. I base this on what Trump would be likely to do if he gets back in, attempting to take supreme control of the executive branch and possibly naming more Supreme Court judges, if any step down during another term for him.

They could go with Shapiro, who might help garner votes in Pennsylvania, an utterly vital state, but he's Jewish, and I wonder how much bias against that there would be in the dark part of many American hearts. Wouldn't be something Trump would have any problem doing a creepy dog whistle on in some way, either, despite his son-in-law being Jewish, as well as being very pro-Israel. A woman of colour as president and a Jewish person as VP might be a bridge too far, unless the charisma is particularly high and the message is electrifying.

They can risk a senate seat more than a gubernatorial mansion.

And the AZ special election rules mean the gov. would have to appoint a Democrat to finish Kelly's term until iirc the next primary in 2026, with a special election coinciding with the primary. I could be wrong about that but I do know the seat isn't just flung open anytime soon. And besides, as VP Kelly wouldn't vacate his seat until the next congress, which could look different after november anyway.