Kilkenny GAA Thread

Clear pull of the Jersey being ignored not seen ……….

Yeah I'd agree with you on that! That was one of the biggest disappointments I had after the semi final that they went back to the older lads and didn't trust Molloy, Murphy or Wall when the chips were down, I don't think any of those 3 would have done any worse than what we had in the second half.

I'd agree with you about the league too, the first thing we need to do is pick a centre back and leave them there the whole of the league and let them get experience there. I know we'll want to do well during the league and we'll be giving out here if we lose a few games but I'd gladly take a struggle during the league if it meant we'd found 3/4 more good options for our championship match day squad.

That's exactly my point! They did well when ever they got a chance but when things started heating up they were left aside. For better or worse next year we are going to have to go with these lads and give them and maybe 3/4 more new players a good run during the league. If at the end of the league next year we still don't have a centre back, another option in the full back line and a couple of new forwards for either starting or to bring off the bench we'll be in the exact same position we are this year.

`Regarding this bit:

Never thought I’d live long enough to feel sorry for Cork losing an AIF, but I do, they were desperately unlucky to not have at least got a draw (and remember they were badly done by ref in first match v Clare in 2013 also).

I saw a lot of online complaining about their treatment by the ref in th3 2013 final.

Lets not forget, the quarter final v KK, Shefflin got two yellows, including one of the softest ever (which was subsequently rescinded) for the first one. Meanwhile Shane O'Neill wore the hurl across Larkin's chest for the penalty and no sign of a card.

We were still in the game at that stage and a red for Cork (when comparing the severity of the pull to Shefflin's 1st yellow it merited a 2 year ban) could have changed the outcome.

In the semi final, the ludicrous sending off of Ryan Dwyer by Owens arguably turned the match that Dublin had been in control of. Again, a joke of a first yellow in the early stages.

So 45 seconds of additional extra time in that final isn't much for them to gripe about in fairness.

the trouble with the league is that you really have to stay up, so you need to have reasonable campaign. Relegation would serve no purpose this would totally demoralise the county, However the Walsh cup could be used with about seven new players being blooded every match and maybe play these young lads alongside the likes of Buckley,Wally,and Fogarty and all the good performers retained for the following match. Cody tried this years ago and it worked we actually got to and won a league final with Gorta, fast Eddie etc. but the Walsh cup is the key great if you win it far from a disaster if you lose it.we shouldn’t be pissing off players, let them prove themselves they couldn’t surprise us.

It had the spine of the players with all ireland medals from 2013 and conlon,kelly and sod really stepped up. Alot of cork forwards didn't perform. Dalton,Hayes and connolly.this was a big occasion and this Clare team are on the road a good few years. Lohan got a lot wrong the last few years but he wasn't afraid to go with hogan,leen and mark Rodgers.They had a bench of Taylor,galvin etc. I remember two years ago tullow of clare played kierans and Adam hogan played center back and he didn't exactly stand out. He was marking Harry shine the same day. Fast foward two years later he is young hurler of the year. He played last year.We can't get a player from the u20 team onto the panel. Lyng was completely wrong for not trusting or trying lads. He was way too Conservative. As soon as we wobbled in the league he brought back tj for the waterford match in that storm. We blatantly needed a corner back and center back but they went back to Cody's team for the 2nd year in a row despite it failing twice and paid a huge price.

We need to accept we are actually going through a big transition the next few years and need to blood at least 10 players to have a panel cable do of winning an all Ireland

We need to go back to come forward again so if that means getting relegated in the league so be it a little bit of short term pain for long term gain

There was a difference in standard in the 2 semi finals, Clare upped it significantly for the final, their best 2 performances of the year by a distance were their 2 games v Cork. Ye might have done the same, just 1 of those hypothetical one's.

Clare at 11/1 seems a good shout. Lump on.

ye I remember seeing that going on we thought they were warming up. On the Fitzgibbon, I think it’s a bit of ethnic cleansing even in Carlow and Waterford which were dominated by KK players. The Dublin university’s and Limerick colleges, Cork colleges never picked our lads.

I actually think when we look back on this all ireland in a few months. It will be seen as a massive missed opportunity to pick up a all Ireland. Recency bias will laud this final but they shot over 30 wides between them and some of the defending for goals was comical. Fair play to Clare but the green giant is angry now and you can expect a response any year they are knocked out is a opportunity to pick up a All Ireland. Like Tipp in 19

On cork, they had a couple of poor decisions not go there way this year especially at under 20 when the ball was in the net v tipp and not given, most scandalous decision all year

Just wondering what Donovan has done to seem to be a good coach ?

I would think we are one of the worst coached teams in the country. We never seem to have any sort of a game plan. That's just my opinion maybe I'm way off

Leinster hurling won't get a look in next year with the demise of Galway. It will all revolve around the rivalry between, Clare, Cork and Limerick .

DCU have quiet a few KK players. Hard for KK players to break onto UCC and UL teams fair play to those that do