Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

SF saying areas to be audited to see if it can take refugees. Well, that solves everything. There will be NO more immigration then. Everywhere is under funded, under stress, basically hanging on. SF are ducking idiots.

The department is not "engaging" by choice because they know these centres are deeply deeply unpopular. The strategy has thus far been to keep communities in the dark as long as possible, basically until the last possible moment so that opposition can't form.

A fine example of this strategy in operation is that the government have identified 30 potential sites across the country but have not even said which towns they are, let alone the actual buildings. There is no reason not to identify the towns if there was a real belief in real engagement.

No one wants these centres in their community mainly I suspect because they are of a scale where they will transform the community (Even the coolock site, a large area, would be 2% of the population there).

The whole crisis over this is really surprising. Irish governments are generally good at giving people what they want and usually only say "No" when there is no money. This is unique at least in my memory because the State is forcing this when it's not driven by the exchequer. It makes me wonder what the unsaid real motivation is.

I know AS frequently end up in low paying jobs, like retail, once they've done the six months, so is it driven by a need for this kind of labour which is in short supply currently? Partially maybe?

I think it's more about the rules based international system though. I think the fear is that if Ireland doesn't demonstrate a full throated adherence to the international system and say starts to opt out on migration, then it will attract attention on Ireland where the system works in its favour. Ireland has form in this - it rowed behind all the policies the EU had for the last 15 years so no one might look at taxation policy. They came for it anyway though.

A carefully considered opinion, refreshing!

It's definitely down to an international system, every country in the E.U is having the same problems.

In Germany for instance they have gone from openly welcoming refugees with flowers and chocolates to the Govt. actively wanting to halt immigration into the E.U completely. Yet 100's of men paying smugglers €6000++ arrive daily into Berlin with the hope of a great new life…

Well there is a chance that we could potentially "get rid" of a lot of the imported ones if there was a proper system in place. It has to be undoubtedly more difficult to get that system in place when resources have to be allocated to deal with protests and vandalism. The powers that be have messed up for years but they have to start from where we are now.

You see, there isn't an illuminati "bringing them in" either.

Which nationalist candidates would these be? Please tell me that the like of the national party or the likes aren't now being described as nationalist.

Yeah maybe they never met with the community and maybe made the whole thing up. I'd imagine there would be uproar in said communities with "I never met them" being chanted if that was the case though

Considering MLMD wants better engagement from the govt and came up with the logical step of auditing the viability of IPA centres it would be a fairly easy stick to beat them with if they lied about a community engagement

It's very easy to nominate places that shouldn't have to have any of these lads. Your difficulty is going to be identifying the places that should. The people aren't going to disappear into a puff of smoke every time a building they might have been put into is targeted and destroyed.

As for an "audit" - are you also living in the dreamworld that there are plenty of other communities that are dying to have IP applicants housed in the ready available facilities besides them?

For all the giving out about the housing shortage, if people keep stopping larger locations from being used to house them all together, you will end up with them being housed individually in a mishmash of locations. Which will inevitable prolong their processing even more. Is your ulterior motive really for them to get "own door accommodation" on arrival? Because that is the outcome if people protest enough at larger places. I'd far rather see 500 of them being put into beds in a converted warehouse while they are being processed than 500 1-bed apartments being bought for them!

Logical step indeed. You would think such a step would go without saying long before any large number of people were to be brought into an area. I'm not saying she didn't speak to anyone at all, maybe she did, maybe she met with some in agreement with, or not completely against it. Something tells me it wasn't the "far-righters" in the communities that she met with.

FYI there are community groups saying just that, that it wasn't them she met with.

It's not clear who you are referring to but the main groups in Coolock have said they've not met with MLMD or SF.

The departments "engagement" consists of a glorified information evening for public representatives of said area. It's been made clear that the officials are there to communicate plans, not to solicit feedback or make changes based on public representation. Certainly not stop.

In other words "this is happening, deal with it".

Must be losing our doctors for some other reason then. And what about the nurses, doubt they're on such salaries, though I'd imagine they have the same bills as the rest of us. How do we keep them instead of a conveyor belt of Irish out, X in?

Wouldn't be a massive fan of the journal, interesting nonetheless!

https://www.thejournal.ie/junior-doctors-accommodation-6293174-Feb2024/

As it is being treated as an “emergency”.

Any “audit” would have to cover school places, crèches, GPs, hospitals, traffic, transport, social services etc.

Has anyone seen the various reasons why housing applications get either refused or overturned in court here?

Will the “audit” require a bat survey as well to ensure we aren’t disturbing them?!

If its so bad for doctors why do most of them come back to work in Ireland?

Agreed, a lot of politicians and people fail to realise that the current system is what is feeding the growth of the far right

In Demark the left wing social democrats adopted firm but fair policies when it came to Asylum seeking. They are one of the only countries in the EU that have escaped this crisis as a result and moreover are one of the few EU countries that is also not seeing even a slight increase in right wing politics

Coincidence? I think not

What a headache.

Can't have them in big centres like in Coolock.

Can't have them in hotels and B&Bs hurting tourism.

Can't have them along the canal or in mount street.

Can't have them in social housing jumping the queue of those waiting for years.

I can see why Leo done a runner.

English nationalism is always going to rub Irish people up the wrong way , very quickly they will praise the empire and how good it was ……. i dont need to finish the sentence