Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

You are entitled to advocate and agitate for individual own-door accommodation for the AS if you like. I won't support you on that.

If you don't like them being put into converted warehouses, and you don't like them being put into hotels, then you are eventually manipulating it so that that is the only option. Some people are being sneaky about their motivations, but logic shows their actual intentions.

But govt policy is to stall, delay, keep the NGOs happy (as who knows when the govt minister may need a cushy number when he/she loses their seat), refuse to consult with the irish people and line the pockets of hotel owners and others who benefit from what is actually happening.

Then declare an amnesty for 17000 illegal immigrants. Then rents get driven up because demand far outstrips supply and tell me, just how many TDs are landlords ......

Rinse and repeat. There is no controls in place and the govt have no plans to put any in because well ......money money money.

Or better still, what links have hotel owners with contracts with DOI are mates/business partners with govt ministers??

All our leading political parties, FF, FG, SF, Greens, SD and Labour all sing off the same hymn sheet here. So people feel they have no other option other then protest violently and light fires because they simply aren't being respected or listened to.

Even after crown paints was torched what, 5 times last week, Roderic still insists on pushing 500 illegal immigrant men there. And in a few years time it will be a lot more then 500 there.

I find posts like yours really cruel. The argument seems to be "[x place] has its troubles, so it's okay to bring in thousands of mostly men from dysfunctional cultures with nothing to do all day, and allocate huge resources to them while enriching a small number of connected people." We aren't allowed anecdotes here, but I have many to illustrate how it harms local people's wellbeing and safety as well as their livelihoods. I don't know why people like you have such contempt for a place like Drogheda which has many decent people trying against the odds to make it a better place. The loss of the D hotel was a massive blow to the town's economy from which it may never recover; it has impacted not just tourism in the area but the town's ability to host events, whether family, corporate or arts. A lot of public funding has been invested in developing and promoting Ireland's Ancient East, and it's been a huge slap in the face for people who have worked on that.

I feel a sense of hopelessness when I read posts from people with such a self-hating attitude to their own community and culture while endlessly prioritising people from everywhere else and presenting them as vulnerable and worthy of help even when presented with facts that point otherwise. I know what used to be the Left in Ireland is unrecognisable, Sinn Fein have abandoned any pretence of nationalism and NGOs have become their own powerful vested interests, sucking up public funds while dominating the airwaves. The values I grew up with like civic pride in your neighbourhood and country, have become something to be scoffed at and reframed as backward and unenlightened. Wanting to preserve the best of what you grew up with, the social cohesion and shared values is seen as "far right"

I have never felt such a disconnect between this government and ordinary people and their interests. Most people I know fear speaking up because the kind of people who dominate this discussion will actively try to ruin your life, snitch on you to your employer, publicly shame you. I've seen it. They are the new clergy. And yes, as a precious poster said, they seem to hate the Irish.

And what effect would burning the factory have on those 500? Would they evaporate into space? Will they think "Oh, no, my life's dream of being accommodated in a paint factory has been taken from me and now that they are going to put me into my own apartment instead, I think I'll just go back to Dirkastan instead"

The only thing that will stem the flow of chancers is if they are processed quickly and deported quickly. The logistics of doing that will not be helped by scattering them in tiny groups all over the place.

Our capability is measured by money, not by actual physical resources such as housing etc.

But the govt don't want to process them quickly. Do you not get that?

They want to shoehorn these people into irish society for financial gain of themselves and their friends. And the people who pay the most for this will be Irish people. In our own country.

The violence and fires are a direct consequence of the govt working against their own people.

Sure why was the hotel there in the first place?

The point is there's places that have very little in them as is, and a large hotel being taken away from normal use benefits the hotel owner and everyone else who has a stake in this new economy, but does f@#k all for the locals.

It also breeds further resentment and prejudice and gives a voice to loons on both the far right and left.

I would also like to see purpose built accomodation, for the purpose of detention. Yes it may cost, but surely it's a better use of tax payers money than the current game of pass the parcel going on. It may also serve as a deterrent to scammers thinking of coming to Ireland.

The dog on the street knows the majority aren't genuine, and even if every single asylum seeker coming to Ireland was, so what? Help, where practical. Helping the planet isn't sustainable.

It's how 'progressive' liberals carry on, mock their own mock traditions mock Christianity etc etc with no awareness of how fake and boring they sound

We need more patriots. I've seen the footage of those brave men in their tracksuits and balaclavas really teach those doors a lesson with swift kicks. Celtic or Liverpool jersey optional, but the Irish flag is not. All Gaeilgeoirs versed in Irish history and mythology.

I often think, when I see such brave patriots, how lucky we would be if they joined our defence forces or Gardai, or even became nurses or teachers to pass on knowledge to the next generation. But we cannot be selfish - those people have a much greater duty to global society. We cannot ask them to pause their cancer research or work on ground breaking technological advancements. To do so might be Ireland's short term gain, but would be a long term loss for everyone.

Do I have a problem with a hotelier making money? No, I don't. I have a problem with how that money is made.

Protest? Are you for real?

Regarding the site in Coolock, I'd imagine there'd have been issue taken by some in the community if it was a full on, secure detention centre being placed there absolutely, but perhaps far less than the issue taken with the current state of affairs.

A secure detention centre wasn't the proposal. There was none. It was and still is, this IPA centre is happening, deal with it.

It's not "faux concern". I don't care about the owners of the D hotel who will pocket €13m a year of taxpayers' money. It's the knock-on effects, the loss of footfall for the shopping centre next door and other businesses, as noted in a recent report which estimated the direct loss at €6m.

The asylum seekers (who we know are not genuine, let's be honest) don't contribute to the local economy. They will consume massive resources and give very little back to a town which already cannot provide enough jobs, accommodation and services for its people. Again, I find the bad faith assumptions hard to take. What's "faux" about not wanting your home to become unrecognisable to you while you see your tax money being spent on an endless influx of strangers from every corner of the globe? It is the reaction of posters like you which is "faux" and contrary to normal anthropological behaviour of in-group preference and prioritising one's own family and community and country.

Pretty sure this has been asked before, but do you think the thousands of AS, genuine or otherwise, already here and those making their way here, are going to make strides in the area of cancer research or ground breaking technological developments?

Rail roading AS into areas with their own issues already only gives said scum a voice. I feel I'm on a roundabout.

Oh, if only we had a government who could draught such emergency legislation in the interest of our country.

I think you agree that there's a major issue with the numbers coming in, and what's being done with them. What's your view on the best course of action for this country?

The answer to your first sentence is already in the post you quoted - Ireland is already signed up to International Human Rights Law which would prevent an arbitrary blanket detaining of all AS.

I already said my view - they need to be processed as quickly as possible. That likely means proper reception centres being set up and an army of pen-pushers processing the applications and then deporting the failed ones as soon as possible. There is no problem with setting up reception centres per se, you just can't arbitrarily lock people up 24/7 in them.

Deport them to where? Many have no documentation I'm told.