Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Nothing stems the flow unless you want to say "no more asylum seekers ever again. No matter how genuine". And if, say, a famous Russian dissident escaped a prison there and made his way to Ireland, we would send him back, knowing he would be executed on the tarmac upon arrival. We either have a system for it or we don't. You can't have a system where "only genuine applicants are allowed to apply" because genuine or not can only be determined after the application is made.

Think of disability benefit. We have that for a reason. There are genuinely many people on that who need it and struggle on it. And then we have people in their early 20's on it who are on it for lactose intolerance (not wanting to put too much light on a fella that ended up killing himself). Loads more on it for questionable sore backs. One solution to cutting down on the chancers is to have better processing in place. Another is just to eliminate disability benefit for everyone. But if you do the latter, you make the genuinely disabled people's position even worse. So do you want to keep processing applications forever - or do you want to cut off all the genuine ones?

Where are you are going to deport them after the gurriers burn them out in the other model where you don't process them?

You see, technically, while going though the asylum process, they are allowed to stay here. It is not illegal for them to be here. Once they are denied, then their status becomes illegal. They could, at that stage, be charged under immigration laws and locked up. Some might suddenly remember where they came from when it is a choice between proper detention and going home.

But processing ASAP just means they stay here and it frees up more places for the next 40k to arrive. We can't take more people.

What we need is to stop recognising those international laws. They will bring this country to it's knees.

So you're talking about Drogheda here?

1. Shutting down biggest hotel

2. Economic damage from said hotel

3. Tourism damaged

4. The town already feeling less safe before this

5. Schools are full

6. medical services under pressure

There's a million reasons you can link but they mostly fall under economics and social issues.

You could list not wanting to end up with the issues Denmark, Scandinavia, Germany, UK, France etc are experiencing as a reason.

Is it not illegal to enter this country without documentation? Laws, rules, regulations, processes etc only work when people are working in good faith, as you pointed out regarding those scamming disability in this country.

Around we go.

I don't have a concrete answer or solution, but I'm pretty sure the continuous intake of AS into this country which it clearly cannot handle, and actually advertising Ireland to them in the first place, is definitely not the answer.

It is illegal to enter without documentation except that is is not illegal to enter on false or no documentation if you do so for the purpose of seeking asylum and you present yourself as such.

Why does such a loophole exist? Well a person genuinely fleeing for their life might have to be spirited out of their own country using false documentation for example. Or if fleeing for ones life from a war situation, they might not have been able to wait around to have their passport application processed by the local bombed out office. Do you remember the case of your man Kashoggi who went to the Saudi Embassy (in Turkey I think) to get some documents and he was never seen again. Assumed to have been killed and dismembered and brought back to Saudi in diplomatic suitcases.

Now, am I saying that all these lads have genuine reasons for having no documentation - far from it. I am only telling you why the exception exists. You can do away with it if you like, but then you remove it for the actual genuine person. Even if that is one-in-a-thousand.

Same as how it is likely the case that many on disability benefit are not what an ordinary person would consider or assume to be disabled.

But does that mean we should just scrap it? Because that would be an easy solution to prevent fake applicants abusing it.

No need to scrap it. Steps are taken to catch disability cheats, videoing suspected cheats in the gym when they apparently can't walk for example. I'm sure catching those cheats comes at a cost, but it's for the greater good of this country.

How do you disprove an insane number of people arriving are actually in need of asylum, many of whom come with no documentation?

That seems a little hard so ye know what, just come in, we're a gullible bunch over here and we might do a bit of good cop/bad cop on ye but, irrelevant of the outcome, welcome to Ireland. That's Jono in the North Face tracksuit, he doesn't like you because you live in the hotel his ma used to work in, sorry bud you're just going to have to deal with that!

That's hardly for the greater good of this country, speaking of that, does that matter at all? Certainly doesn't seem like it.

The Irish Times have an editorial on Sinn Féin’s new migrant policy , of course they cannot help letting their biases show and finish up with “But it is easy to foresee a situation where local Sinn Féin representatives can use the new policy as cover for blanket opposition to refugee accommodation anywhere in the country. That would be a useful, if cynical, defensive ploy against threats to the party from its right flank at the next election.”

Pathetic paper .

IFAC "slammed" the government (really Roderic o'Gormans department) back in December for breaking every fiscal policy put in place to curtail spending in budget 2024 via "fiscal gimmekry".

In real terms, so far, it is 4.5 billion "increase" from the exchequer that is being money laundered into human trafficking industry hands in this state.

Did SF explain where the Asylum Seekers would be housed, if the audit finds the location is unsuitable?

If there are 3 sites for consideration and all fail the audit, where do the asylum seekers go?

Is the audit decision final? If a site fails the audit, does that mean the asylum seekers cannot be housed at the site under any circumstances? Or is it just a reccomendation they are not housed there?

David Norris coming here for help is exactly what I want the mountains of men and women coming here to do. Nearest safest port of call. In danger in northern "islamic" Nigeria. Seek refuge in Lagos or Cameroon. Coming from Georgia...oh wait Georgia, Albania etc were all safe countries anyway.

Nobody disagrees about speeding up the process. Or acting upon the results of a process

But the government aren't doing that and none of the other parties will either. And ask yourself who is making money off the back of that decision.

That's a discussion for another day, but if wanting Irish people to be largely represented in their own country now and in the future, is a bad thing then we're worse off in this country than I thought!

Maybe said multinationals may f@#k off out of the country and take their business with them when we follow suit in becoming a cesspit due to the spectacular effects of multiculturalism.

Our maybe we'll be ok in that regard and what's happening all over Europe won't happen here because we're Ireland and "shure" everyone loves Ireland. As I said, that's for another day.

The fact remains soft touch Ireland is open for business for anyone calling themselves an asylum seeker, whether they are here fleeing persecution or for other reasons, with no sign of closing.

That's not good for anyone, well actually it's great for the scammers and NGOs and hoteliers, and.....

That is why you process them quickly and you fuck the chancers out as soon as possible. Current protests are only delaying said processing and prolonging how long the AS can stay here, and ironically, making the country more attractive.

It is not the only factor delaying the processing, but it is one of them. And it is frankly distracting from the other ones.