Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

As you say it's a small sample.

I could never see the attraction of manual given the labour cost involved.

Is there one single aspect of this that Return havent made a complete and utter bollix of?

And they are siphoning off tens of millions of euro from the public for the privilege.

Yes. Re-Turn have planned and executed this perfectly:

siphoning off tens of millions of euro from the public

Saying the architects of Re-Turn are incompetent could be doing them a disservice. I'm starting to think theyve achieved 100% of what they wanted including gauging the bare minimum DRS required for this heist.

Just like you're not proving retailers have a choice, just info dumping and expecting others to prove it for you? The main landing page of the rescam website has the exact information needed. It says nothing about having to go to different machines if they're not working. If a place has rvms, they're accepting returns. The options to return are rvm and manual. It's not either or. So, you can say it all day long for all I care but its not helping.

This came up on the thread ages ago and no one seemed sure. I spoke to a friend who manages a Tesco about it and he said that once they had an RVM they were covered for returns and did not have to accept manual returns.

He said that the collection company had a a specific manual return process that required them to provide certain bags that had a barcode that, on collection, would be scanned in along with a form that had listed the amount of cans/bottles in that bag. He said the reason for that is the Tesco store would get payment per item returned so the collectors will not just accept a black bags of bottles or cans.

Approved Body is Re-Scam. Manner agreed, from my reading of that legislation, is not defined. But it's the manner agreed between retailers and re-scam. So the agreement is between the return point (participating retailers, because there is nowhere else at the moment) and the approved body (re-scam). So it's nothing to do with consumers, from my reading of it. The joys of legislation! I don't think there are any "return point operators" as per Part VI, as all of them fall under the umbrella of retailers as per Part V. The only option to consumers is to return at a participating outlet, and doesn't define if it has to be either or. A return point is a return point, and I haven't seen anything specifically state retailers can choose one or the other.

I've emailed re-scam to see what their advise is. Not that I expect a reply, but if I don't get one, I'll just email them again and CC in every single TD I can get an email for.

You have answered your own question there. The siphoning off of tens of millions of euros they did perfectly and ensuring the money keeps rolling in.

Some shops are better at running the machines than others. It is hit and miss. Your mileage may vary.
The machines in my local Dunnes always working, Supervalu, LIDL, ALDI hit and miss.

The rollout of the scheme was a joke, confusion between producers and retailers and re-turn, what was in scope, what wasn't. Barcode needed or not. Products charged deposits but not registered in the scheme so couldn't be returned. LIDL machines needing the caps removed, everybody else saying caps on.
This is all documented on the thread, unless you're calling posters liars?
Most of those issues have been rectified, but it should never have been such a mess to begin with.

Even now, months into the scheme and past the deadline for all products on shelves to have Return logo. And we still see products for sale without the logo. Certain products the machines can be very fussy about such as sub 500ml bottles.

So 'frothing rage'? No need for that, just read the thread in good faith.

From what I can tell, once something goes into either a DRS or for that matter a green bin at home, what happens next is anyones guess. Some does get incinerated. Some gets sent abroad for recycling. There is no data available that I am aware of for percentages.

Consider yourself lucky but dont despair, your day will come eventually.

By the way your reasoning can be applied to a multitude of things like….

I would like to figure out what I have been doing wrong. I have yet to have a single traffic accident. On a couple of occasions I have had a near miss. What have I been doing incorrectly? I feel so left out of the frothing rage?

Is it that I have been driving as intended? How idiotic of me

They wont release figures. We are vaguely told it will be for "future environmental initiatives". As for obvious improvements needed that would make things easier for customers and shop staff lol. Forget it.

The CEO is on the radio periodically telling us not to use RVMs at the weekend. Exemptions for online shopping for people who cant make it to shops? Again get fecked. Watery spoof like "contact our office and we'll help you". Ive yet to hear what that help actually involves. Its a sh!t show and as you say a quango. An already very valuable quango at that pulling in massive amounts of money from customer deposits.

However as long as it works fine for some that should override all the obvious gombeenery and issues with Re-Turn. Its a very Irish thing. Anyone speaking out about this kind of scheme / corruption must be a rabid lunatic / a tight ass who should just pay up or just a whinger in general.

The vast majority of all plastic is non recyclable. And those that can be recycled are usually limited to one cycle. Two at best. The whole idea of plastic recycling is a bit of a con. The reality is that most plastic will end up on its way to an incinerator or into a landfill after its first use.

And Re-Turn will do bugger all to change that.

You might say they should but all the evidence do far suggests that they are not obliged to.

By the way, have you considered the logistics involved to accommodate manual returns.

Just for a start, who would do it and where would they do it ?

We were told ad nauseum on the thread, oh we copied the scheme that worked elsewhere, why wouldn't it work here.

Other countries operate manual returns, why can't we?