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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'm going to listen to the interview in a moment if its up and comment

    However these migrants have to go somewhere as still as they come in

    Big long consultations/reviews and planning queries would cause the mother of all backlogs,its a silly suggestion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     Almost everyone else thinks it was a robust and probing interview with the opposition leader on a policy they launched yesterday.

    utter nonsense from the get go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭JVince


    Philip Boucher Hayes might be sued by Mary Lou for questioning her like that.

    How dare he ask where sinn fein will find the additional €60m+ per year for the additional staff and the costs of their pensions and the costs of their offices.

    or will it come from the money trees that sinn fein seem to think they can grow?

    Their so-called policy on immigration was literally laughable.

    "we'll let the people decide is a IPAS centre goes into their town - and if the people say no we'll put it in anyway" - so funny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭pureza


    Listened

    To be fair,PBH interjected like a moderator wanting you stay on topic and she waved the you're pro government stick quite agressively

    She didnt have a cost for her plans and no idea of the countries to add to the safe list

    Total waffle on finding illegals who should have left

    'I'm not the minister' the excuse for not costing it

    Jeesus mary and joseph

    If this radio interview is the way forward for everything else,do you know theres going to be no improvement in SF support,what in the name of God are the strategists thinking,have they simply given up ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No party vying for government has 'costed' their plans, so PBH went for the easy low hanging fruit that he knew would be clung to by the usual crew.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭pureza


    You can't be putting policies forward without costing them!

    One way ticket to trouble that is

    I'm afraid I googled SF's historical policy on migrants

    The SF website has deleted press releasrs that don't fit in with the new narative

    None of the massive pirrouette in this video is untrue,Who finances Gript btw ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Show us the costed policies of FF and FG and the Greens when they were vying for government then?
    Do they include these spending figures?

    I have asked Bobson but he neglected to post links.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not a good look for her to fall at the first hurdle when launching a policy document meant to make their stance clearer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Outside of the SF core few will see that interview as anything else but a disaster.

    Let me guess, you think she did well? 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, she got no chance to do anything.
    He never let her talk for more than a few seconds without interrupting.

    We know it would have been a 'car crash' no matter what she said in the eyes of some. Even those who clearly didn't bother listen to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn’t post links because they don’t exist. You know that though. SF didn’t have to publish an immigration policy, but they did.

    So Boucher hung his whole interview on looking for costings that nobody else produced or was asked for. And you think that was a good interviewer.

    Ok.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be fair she wasn't answering questions and was trying to steer the conversation away from the application of their policy.

    It's car crash because she wasn't actually asked anything difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The level of aggression attacking anyone who dares say Mary Lou was anything less than stellar is usually directly related to how bad a performance she put up.

    Based on the reaction from the party faithful it must have been dire alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She said costings didn't matter and that fixing a serious problem was the priority when asked and PBH insisted on asking for costings and interrupted continuously when she tried to correct his reading (or lack of) of the document.

    She didn't get a chance to outline what the policy actually was and involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I made a donation so I do anyway. Thinking of making another if RTE keep being biased.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He seemed to know her policy document better than she did! He read out quotes from it and she said he was "nit picking".

    She didn't want to talk in detail about how the policy would work and he needed to interrupt her to get some sort of detail on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Did you hear the bit where PBH made a statement that 'audits were already being carried out' and then point blank refused MLMD the right to contest that opinion?

    It happened around 6 minutes in. She had talked about the policy for around 6 minutes at that stage and a pro government quote was all he could come back with and he refused to allow it be contradicted.

    Good interview? My foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Costings don't matter? Why does she witter on about the Children's Hospital all the time?

    A simple google search provides you with a document that tells you that an EO in the civil service will cost €64,870 a year (all in cost) under the PSC in 2021. Allow that most will be EOs with a sprinkling of higher grades and you can assume €70k. Multiply that by 1,000 new civil servants and you can, in literally ten seconds calculate that the cost of 1,000 civil servants in the IPO will be €70m.

    That not a single person in Sinn Fein was able to do that tells you all you need to know about their preparedness for government, their competence in figures and more importantly, their credibility to the electorate.

    Long live MLMD as the leader of SF. One modern phenomenon of politics is that leaders have a shorter shelf life. That is why the SDs, Greens and FG have changed leadership. Doesn't apply to parties chasing the older conservative vote like FF. You see the same in the US with the Kamala bounce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any links to a 'costed policy' from the party you support blanch?

    MLMD actually said that the government already plan to increase staffing to handle a growing amount of of applications. Can you link to where they have costed that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I heard from a friend of mine about the interview, and its done the rounds on Twitter.

    MLD it seems gets rattled easily and cant handle hard questions.

    The boys in West Belfast may need to replace her. Get the guns out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    She had a car crash interview with Claire Byrne before the local elections.

    Maybe it's not the interviewer, but the interviewee who is the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    she seemed weak, very weak. How so if you claimed her only weakness is chocolate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I said it before, but SFs social media strategy is coming back to bite them. They whipped people up into a frenzy with their water charge protest groups on Facebook, their failed state narrative on Twitter etc. Those same people have now turned on them and are attacking them.

    This x1000

    SF watered and cultivated the angry online beast, and set it loose on the establishment and the ruling parties.

    Everything is crap

    Everything is broken

    Everyone is corrupt

    Ireland is a dump and failed state

    Sure we have our own SF Lord Haw Haw is always going on about the power swap, the corruption, etc.. i.e. the electorate is stupid.

    They rode the wave of this discontent and it brought them some electoral success.

    But now, the same beast is eating them.

    The story of Frankenstiens monster comes to mind.

    They are Fucked, and I am delighted. :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I just listened again.
    It is actually extraordinary that PBH made a statement on behalf of the government(that audits were being carried out) and point blank refused MLMD a right to reply to that.

    Hopefully Eamon Ryan (who made the same claim) will be pursued by decent journalists to see these audits and how they arrived at Coolock as a suitable venue for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Donnocha o Leary on redfm today getting grilled by prendeville on the parties new immigration stance, couldn't answer a single straight question. Gist of it is they want to to speed up applications and deportations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Checks thread title, yes, we are in the Sinn Fein thread.

    Great that you accept that the Sinn Fein policy is threadbare, uncosted and MLMD hasn't got a clue, so you revert to whataboutery.

    By the way, SF has half a page on transitioning to State-provided accommodation for refugees. Roderic's department has already published an 18-page strategy on how they will do that, it looks like SF didn't even read that first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Does anyone know which are the well-off and well-resourced areas that SF believe can adequately take in refugees?

    Does anyone have the list of local election areas where SF received the lowest percentage vote?

    Is there a potential link between the two?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't think a rolling situation can be costed blanch.

    Which is why I wouldn't be looking for FG or FF or Green costing.
    It's not possible to know.

    You can bullshit like they did on the Children's Hsp etc etc etc etc.

    The problem needs fixing as it is destabilising already vulnerable communities, vulnerable because they are already deprived via government policies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




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