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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Wow…

    "A proposal for RTÉ to get public funding of €725 million over the next three years is to go to Cabinet tomorrow."

    This is on the level of the new Children's hospital funding!!! almost 1 billion Euro for what!!

    We could build a full second hospital even at the current cost in another 9 years!!

    "The three coalition party leaders met tonight to sign off on the proposals.

    The TV licence fee will remain at its current rate of €160 per year.

    An Post will retain the contract to collect the charge.

    However, An Post will be given €6m in funding over three years to improve collection rates by updating technology and databases."

    Is this 6M extra or what do they normally get? Another 6M to quash the protest from ordinary people.

    Seriously thinking or ditching my lovely OLED TV (Black Friday deal, and using 99% for streaming/Bluray) and going to a projector or some other not terrestrial receiving monitor of some sort??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Laughable package for Rte and a nice slap on the back for a job well done. Waste money and create accounts outside the jurisdiction, get caught and you get €725m funding plus advertising plus licence fee.

    No conditions and all signed off just before the Dáil summer holidays so it will be old news in a few months.

    Pay increases all around for the usual suspects just in case a UK company should grab them. Sure isn't Tubs wanted everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    There has to be a typo in that amount €725 million ???

    Surely it should be €275

    Which is still Crazy money!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Cyclonius


    You could also have a look at some digital signage and professional displays. I got a Sony FW-55BZ40H for €650-700, and it has all the normal TV features (runs Android TV, has all of the normal Android TV options, etc.), with the sole exception (that I can see) of a TV tuner. No TV tuner, no means of picking up public service broadcasting, and no TV licence needed. Just send in your declaration to An Post, and the licence part of the problem is solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,780 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    A proposal for RTÉ to get public funding of €725 million over the next three years is to go to Cabinet tomorrow.

    This figure includes paid-for TV licences, free TV licences and an Exchequer funding top up to bring it to the agreed level.

    The exact amount of Exchequer funding will depend on the amount collected in TV licence revenue.

    The three coalition party leaders met tonight to sign off on the proposals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭jj880


    Insanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,693 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Outrageous amount of money.

    We're on a road to nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    RTE and govt are like 2 drunks propping each other up on the dancefloor after wandering around the dancehall all night stealing drinks from the tables.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,206 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    That's €5million a week, is there some major infrastructure build needed or where is the money going? Surely they can't be needing that amount for day to day running costs. Remember them getting €107.5 million in 2017 for the land sale to Cairn Homes, where did that go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,692 ✭✭✭Tow


    It went into two new 'High Tech' radio studios. Lucky they still had the old studio as a backup last Friday.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    shite on a stick…jesus h furkin christ…like what the furk…? €725MILLIONS??? for what? load of shite! feckin screw paddy public in the arse yet again!!! surely every one knows sweet fa is going to change in rte,be another load of waffle and bollixology next year looking for even more money ffs…still say shouldve closed it down,brought in the fraud squad and made dee and her mates answer questions from a holding cell…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Top brass are all connected to government, wasn't Dee a friend of Leo and no dought Simon after all his brother walked out with a nice chunk of money after costing 2 millions worth of dept .

    Once they keep the government narrative they will recieve all the handouts they need



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Yes and just to add all four of these chancers left their jobs for some strange reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    How are the Government not getting in the auditors to comb through RTE’s books?

    I get that it’s a tricky subject before a general election but what’s the long term plan because it’s a basket case as is…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    i think the only planning in rte thats going on is to get the champagne on ice asap and have a pish up!!! as for the "goverment" they dont give one shiny shite,its holiday time…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    So basically no different to how it was before.

    Well that was a valuable use of time wasn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,782 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    A: the cross-pollination between RTE and FF/FG/etc. - the coveney's for example, an audit would be 'incovenient' for many of the political top brass.

    B: RTE still has plenty of reach in the country, for a political party to antagonise them ahead of an election would be risky, even if they did have 90% of the country on their side. RTE is a basket case with poor output, waste and redundancy everywhere, but they do seem have a great ability to scrap like dogs when threatened. See the constant throwing of SF under the bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Fergal Bowers is over in the US covering the US election. Its not until November 5th. So, 104 days from now, lets give him 2 days to recover after it before he flies home.

    (Very, very conservative estimates)

    106 days * hotel room ~$150 a night

    A per diem of $150 a day

    Is $31,800 as well as his usual salary.

    I work for a multi billion dollar company and I have to beg to travel to a foreign europe based office for a week. Any longer would need senior management approval. We have shareholders if we run out of money to explain to. RTE just goes back to the dail, cap in hand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    So why the double tax for RTE?

    Why not just take it from the exchequer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Quags


    Have to hand it to the Government on this, seen the backlash and lies from RTE & public and thought what better way to fix RTE than giving them even more money that will be wasted in the following years.

    RTE should be like Sky Sports, if you want it then you pay for it otherwise leave the public fund alone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    As someone on Morning Ireland pointed out, in Czechia the money for the TV license is a fee added on to everyones electricity bill. So zero avoidance. No need for inspectors. No need for ads on TV and Radio telling people they need to pay it etc. No people up in court for not paying it.

    Then the Morning Ireland presenter said "Oh but that would have political implications".

    And the focus group in the Dail for the last 9 months didn't?!?

    I despair at this country sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    What I don't understand is why the Oireachtas don't drag in the RTE board and the DG again and go through the fcuking RTE1 TV guide for today or any other day and ask they need so much money when a large majority of programme are Foreign?

    I would think ( And I could be stupid) that what we are paying to RTE, they are then paying Foreign countries for licences to broadcast this programming.

    So the cash for a majority of the programmes is leaving the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,481 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    RTE should be like Sky Sports, if you want it then you pay for it otherwise leave the public fund alone

    We don't have political parties of any significance who would contemplate such a broadcasting policy. If you want that sort of RTE funding model you'll have to start putting guys like this in the Dail

    In response to the news on funding Independent Councillor, Gavin Pepper said that “taxpayers money should not be used to prop up RTÉ”.

    (amusing the Gript article doesn't name the 'independent councillor' until halfway down and never mentions his political allegiance…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    The idea that this money is contingent on RTE carrying out items on an action plan is laughable. They need the cash. They get the cash. Otherwise another funding crisis rears it's head and the whole sorry saga is in the spotlight yet again, something no government wants.

    Government coffers are groaning. Pay them and make it go away. Was it every going to be any other outcome?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I love how this bailout is announced in the final cabinet meeting and after the Dail went into recess. Very very cynical. They are a useless shower.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I agree here

    If I don't pay my TV licence, they will take it from me through tax anyway

    If I do pay my TV licence, they will still take it from me in tax again!!

    Does anyone have a contact in Groupon or similar site. If they get cheap energy prices, and Spa days, could they not organise a mass professional TV (without Ariel input) so if we buy 1000s of TVs we'll get a good discount.

    55 inch 4k should suit most people?

    But I guess if we do this the tax is going up but at least it's just a once of cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    Do you remember what happened back in the 00s when RTE became awash with Money after Bertie Ahern's government gave them a big increase in the TV licence from about 100€ to 155€ ? They used it to pay Pat Kenny 995k per year and Gerry Ryan 650k per year and Joe Duffy used to get 10 weeks off in the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    Reports today suggest that Dublin Airport are about to enter an agreement with RTE to lease the car park at Montrose until September in an attempt to alleviate high demand for parking at Dublin Airport.

    A spokesman is reported to have said that Montrose is like a ghost town from June to September and the first 1000 bookings will get 2 free pairs of flip flops and a €20 discount on the TV licence.

    😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    oh yessss!!! sign me up and take MORE of my money!!!! i want…no…i DEMAND my flip-flops!!!!


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,843 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I thought it was serious until he mentioned the flip flops.

    Goes to show you how mad the world has become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    They've been talking about changing from the licence fee model for many governments.

    Harris took the easiest option available. Not even RTE are happy. Nothing to see here, business as usual.

    FF/FG/Green have failed the tax payer and rewarded the chancers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭SonicSuper


    This is just how things work in Ireland, we reward incompetency. Nothing will ever change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Well said. Harris in full election mode now -i.e. do-nothing mode.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,072 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The Brenner was sitting on a bar stool listening to Emma O'Kelly being interviewed by Rachel English on the News at One.

    Rachel asked her quite timidly, I thought ,a rhetorical question like 'Why should the Taxpayer put money into RTE given the profligacy and wastage just experienced'

    O'Kelly ignored the question almost totally and straight away I concluded that nothing is going to change out there.

    They haven't learned their lesson, the Govt bottled it, they will continue to corn hole John Q Taxpayer and laugh in his face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭kazamo


    RTE must be delighted with the declared third revenue stream established now.

    Licence, Advertising and now a backstop of state funding.

    People need to boycott the licence as they are on the hook to fund them through direct taxation anyway.

    Rip off Ireland is thriving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It also shows again how detached this government is from the public mood. They seem to live in a bubble of their own up there. It's well known and evidenced that there is simmering discontent with the licence fee, those who pay, those who don't and the abuse of this money in RTE. Combined with the useless collection system of An Post.

    They have an opportunity to grasp the nettle, to lance the boil, an open goal and … they fouk it up. Bottlers.

    Maybe RTE is useful to them as an arm of government publicity, a spin machine - if so, let it be funded by the Dept Taoiseach and we'll all be clear then. Did I hear Paschal reported as saying they wouldn't forego the licence as it was a ready means to get money in? For that alone, he or whoever said, should be booted into the Irish Sea. And there should be a mass boycott to tell him to shove his patronising up his whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭jj880


    Anyone got a good link that sums up Tubsgate and what followed?

    After this sweetheart deal for RTE I wouldn't mind a refresher just to depress myself with the state of regulation / accountability in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    The whole thing has gone so far beyond a joke now

    €750,000,000…. Like that is an incredible sum on money for a company that runs a few radios stations, 3.5 TV channels and two orchestras.

    How is that number justified? How are the likes of TV3 able to survive on their own two feet and RTE are not despite there being a license fee.

    And all this on the back drop over a heap of scandal's, missed targets, unfulfilled promises and political hype that never amounts to anything.

    Like imagine for example you're a person affected by Mica with the government unwilling to chase the builders or material providers responsible for your house falling apart. Nor will they fully reimburse you. Yet they're prepared to have over 3/4 of a Billion to management in Montrose after they've mismanaged the hell out of it.

    It's unbelievable, I do not get why people voted in FF/FG in the last local election. I'm not saying vote for SF but literally anyone would be better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭jj880


    I am 1 of those people. House falling down round me with defective concrete. A house Ive been paying a mortgage on for 16 years. You are 100% correct. It sticks in the craw seeing this shyite going on. Only a few weeks ago Tubs up here in Donegal lumping his cash from RTÉ's slush fund into Muff Liquor that he "wasnt legally compelled" to return.

    Im not looking to start a concrete debate but I feel like why the feck did I bother investing in this country by buying a home? There was no regulation. Quarries were allowed operate by councils here based on the CE mark as product insurance. The CE mark allows a 3 year statute of limitations on concrete. Just think about that for a second. 3 years for concrete. Its systemic. RTE is just a very public example at the moment.

    Post edited by jj880 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,693 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She should be asking management that question not the local head of the NUJ.

    We're on a road to nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,072 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Indeed, however O'Kelly is an employee of RTE as far as I know, she is not paid by the NUJ.

    She shouldn't have not addressed the obvious question.

    I accept your point that management need to come out from under their rock and now that JQtaxpayer is funding them directly, this business of siloing everything has to be brought to an end.

    SO FAR VERY LITTLE SIGN OF ANY CHANGE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭SonicSuper


    The government didn't "bottle it". They achieved their goal and just brass necked it out until the scandal died down. Mission accomplished tbh. If the Irish electorate are thick enough to put up with government failing for as long as i am alive then that's their problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In the TV building, what happened on Friday?

    Sadly I wouldn't have been surprised, perhaps that's why its not funny.

    Do we think that change the licence fee would have changed the outcome for RTÉ and Dee Frobes?


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭RoTelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    One Orchestra, RTÉ lobbied make the NCH take control of the NSO, Cor Na Nog and the Choir. A saving on 7million, which the would have saved in 2021 … vast majority of that saving when to RTÉ ONE … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT%C3%89#Breakdown_of_the_licence_fee

    TV3 don't produce as much programming (but I won't start defending RTÉ).

    An average hour of TV costs 100,000 (That is a mix of Drama at the high end and Studio programming at the low end). About 3 hours per day. Now RTÉ would need to mix with some cheap programming and some cheap imported programming.

    However I highly doubt that RTÉ 1 produce anywhere near 3 hours of TV per day. RTÉ certainly does not.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    100%

    Paddy is very forgetful and does not like to be the person forcing/pushing change.

    General election in the next 12 months anyway, more than likely all will be forgotten about and we'll get FF/FG again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Just to get the funding model down : -

    2025 : Year 1

    €225m Licence Fee and Exchqure funding

    Increased in the Broadcasting and Media Funds going to €10m, plus Sound and Vision, bring it to 22.2m in 2025, I assume the extra 12.2m comes from the €255m

    2026 and 2027 RTÉ funding increases to 240m and then to 260m

    You think they'd have announced 2023 and 2024 funding.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    I think a massive need to make cut backs at top level would have helped the everyday staff and public know there was accountability and consequences.

    Scrap the licence, give them the budget to run one station and one radio station.



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