Supersoil- Snake oil?

I wonder how much they are paying the farmers to promote it?

Does anyone know any of the farmers in the videos?

My experience of liquid gypsum is blocking a commercial sprayer that the literature said couldn't be blocked. 😄

I have a ton bag of gypsum still that I may get spread with a lime spreader.

The gypsum I have is very finely ground like talcum powder. Two or three cup fulls would block my 2000 litre sprayer.

The benefits of gypsum are without doubt and it will flocculate the soil with a sulphur benefit and retain more nutrients in the soil. But gypsum and sprayers... make sure it's not milk they are selling. 🤪

Thinking of it. I think I'll just throw in it the side slinger and be done with it. Have spread before with the fert spreader but it was torture to make sure it was flowing. That said the dusting in a field you'd still see where it went and didn't go. There's granulated gypsum available anyway. Probably make more sense for most.

Tis a lot you know I'd say

Teagasc won't ever again be doing trials to help farmers gain an advantage over industry.

1. They work for the government

2. Their board contains people who want farmers reliant on them.

Slide from organic oats conference. Absolutely snake oil. Sad that people got caught

Mighty, getting 30 bales/ac, only number given. 'Lovely fodder, eating less of it, very contented' etc

Real independent research please.

Why do Agriland continue to stand over it though, it seems suspect from the get go, to put out another misleading/sponsored article today seems disingenuous on their behalf, as many will miss the "sponsored" bit

That's the whole point of advertising, particularly sponsored advertising, they can be very misleading at times alright.

I don't know what is in the product and where it is made.

But for any biological to work there's certain perimeters that it can only be applied in for it TO work.

The sellers of this are scant on the information on the first part and scant with the information to appliers on the second part.

They doomed themselves to failure. They seemed to be second hand car sellers not sure of right from left.

That's my take.

Edit : My take on the Teagasc trial however is they are the home of ag science so should know everything about biology and bacteria and fungi. So why did they apply the product in conditions that were the opposite of what a biology application would need to survive going on soil? The answer seems the trial was designed by Teagasc to fail the product.

I can say all this because I've read the books and applied homemade biology to fields and seen a positive response. I also know how to kill it.

Now that's my take.

In fairness, if the ingredients are organic and the co does the correct paperwork, then it's organic. Yes SNM you make very good points. I see Teagasc are getting into organic farming and trials. I think again, applies. I think the SETU organic course looks at a different model of trials and research. Trials being done by students and graduates on working farms. Almost all leading practices that have been adopted in farming in Ireland have, firstly been done here by actual farmers.

Obviously all trials need scientific rigour and control plots.

In fairness I have a well here producing organic water, doubt if any of the association's would allow me to sell it as liquid fert.

That humic trial. Were the company telling you there'd be a benefit of straight humic acid?

If I wanted to show someone a benefit, visual effect and growth benefit of humic acid on grass to a novice. I'd wait till we're heading for drought conditions and then apply it and in those conditions apply a heavy dose. Then you'd plainly see it.

It's a carbon source with a chelating effect to make more of what is locked up available. You don't really apply it straight. It's a carbon buffer and carrier for any artificial or biological Nitrogen you apply with it. That's how users generally use it. It allows maximum efficiency of the Nitrogen applied to go into the plant growth. It stops that Nitrogen from evaporating or leaching.

I'm beginning to think I could make money giving farmers classes. 🤑😂

As long as you know Humic acid is liquid carbon. Basically that's what it is. Liquid carbon for soil.

It's not snake oil made from snakes.

Humic for soil. Fulvic for leaf. But both function as the carbon source in a mix.

You have to know what you are adding the carbon for and know what it's expected to do.

It's like flour when baking a cake. Give flour to someone who never saw a cake made and they'd spit it out and say this stuff is poison. Don't buy it.

40 : 1 carbon to nitrogen ratio is stable like timber but not really N available to the plant. 20 : 1 is more friendly to roots. While still not evaporating or leaching.

The fertiliser you buy in a bag has no carbon buffer. What you apply you only use one third of.

Supersoil have lodged a complaint with the EU about cartel behaviour by fertiliser industry:

Don't have access, so maybe someone can upload the text.

They just pissed that the Teagasc trial showed it to be rubbish

I emptied a.few inches of the bottom of an ibc tank with molasses in it before Xmas.....it was mixed and 3 load of slurry taken out about a month ago nows its foaming above the slats......is this a result of the molasses???

Yea it is you'll often get the same result when juice from a fresh silage pit goes in too. It's the sugars feeding whatever biology is in there. Careful it doesn't go and lift the slats. It does enhance the fertilising value of the slurry.

You would be better off topping it up with 3kg of piss from your sceptic tank, you'd get a better return on it.

If you have composted manure in the yard, or get a small amount from some other farmer, make a tea of that. I haven't done it, but Bokashi method was recommended to me.

I see where you are coming from. Elaine Ingham thinking. But consider this. Not all anaerobic is bad. Food is anaerobiclly stored and fermented and what biology requires is food. You can apply Lactic Acid Bacteria which is anaerobic and it'll turn soil aerobic. Same with Jadam Microbial solution- anaerobic and it turns soil aerobic. If anaerobic was bad, cows wouldn't thrive on silage and humans on kimchi and sauerkraut.

20 minutes after turning compost a few inches in it's gone anaerobic again. Whatever oxygen was there has been consumed by then.

Elaine inghams ideas aren't all grounded in reality. Would personally recommend forgetting about compost teas and focus on ph, plant diversity and use humic acid/fym