Global warming

Cest la vie

I suggest you step out in that for a few hours and report back - if you can.

These are sufficiently exceptional events happening in very densely populated areas that the chance of not having records of similar in the past are frankly zero. We have had thermometers for a few hundred years at this stage.

...approaching 50c.

It takes one day at approaching 50c to kill you.

There were recently two reports of British tourists going out in those conditions and dying. Both simply keeled over under the stress.

Heat stroke deaths are rarely recorded as such unless the patient is taken into hospital. Most wil manifest as some other unrelated organ failure. The level of fatalities is only revealed when temps are compared to excess deaths - many months later.

The two British deaths I mentioned are unlikely to be recorded as heatstroke deaths even though heat is the main factor in both.

But you said 50C.
You never said anything about approaching 50C.
I believe that’s called moving the goalposts.
45C is 5C off 50C just so you know.

Read back, approaching 50c.

I then pointed out that all the effects manifest in the zone between 40-50c, the temps been sustained in southern Europe in the latest heatwave.

The way the Green hystericals go on about high temps you'd think that heat was never a contributing factor in deaths before recorded temperatures.

Maybe because we have new generations who grew up in very engineered environments that they simply view the natural world with fear.

Not really. There has been extensive work trying to discredit the weather station network - and it resulted in those attempting it having to acknowledge that the data was correct and even biased low.

It's not 40°C across much of Spain. There's a handful of stations in the interior south and east reporting 40+°C which quite frankly is a regular feature of the Spanish summer there.

No need for sensationalising.

Sorry but a lad on the internet bitching about something he really has no knowledge of isn't going to discredit the weather station network. I watched over 10 years semi-experts fail to achieve that and end up looking like idiots.

That is the level that your comments warranted - when you have something more than I don't believe it then the rebuke might improve.

Europe has warmed by around 3 degrees above the preindustrial levels and is commonly experiencing heatwaves 10degress above normal.

Britain experienced 40c for the first time ever recorded last year.

There is complacency no hysteria. The records are clear that Europe is experience more exceptional weather conditions since records began including sever life threatening heatwaves.

Deaths from heat have increased by 17 in 100,000 over the last decade, and as I said before this has only just started.

This represents the deaths which are easily identifiable as directly heat related - such as heat stroke. The data for heat strokes will go back at least 50 years so this is where the trend is been generated from.

Frankly I find it incredible that anyone would argue that heatwaves haven't significantly increased across Europe over the last few decades.

Siesta will not protect you from a heatwave.

Again, I am just repeating the evidence as outlined by scientists. There is nothing doomster about that.

The rate of heat related deaths in Europe have increased along with the increase in heatwaves. So your point is not a refutation of that evidence.

At the same time as many European nations are seeing increased deaths as boomer bounce reaches their most vulnerable phase.

You're conflating a baked in demographic trend with a belief.

Here's a paper from 2023 that talks about tracking deaths due to heat in Europe: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02419-z

The deaths aren't being mis-attributed. Sure there are more old people, but the deaths due to heat are correctly flagged.

from Yale university

Yeh my spuds not doing great, where is that damned global warming

Eh, you've fundamentally misunderstood what led to the Ozone layer repairing itself. CFC gases were responsible for the damage and they're effectively outlawed for most use cases since the 80s so no, our usage of such gases have not increased.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ozone-depleting-substance-consumption

https://www.verificat.cat/en/the-hole-in-the-ozone-layer-was-not-an-exaggeration-the-problem-was-solved-by-banning-the-gases-that-caused-it-2/

The hole in the ozon layer is currently repairing itself. It is predicted to be back to 1980's level within the next couple of decades.

People use more aerosols now than they did in the 90's. We are told there is far more air pollution also.

It is widely-known that CFC (Chlorofluorocarbons) were discovered to be responsible, and they were removed from aerosols and packaging. Which allowed the ozone damage to recover.

Now, if someone is going to wade into a debate about climate change and not know that, I think their contributions can safely be ignored.

There is the other possibility, of course: that someone is merely repeating climate change denial propaganda from another source without considering what it says.

Records are not been ignored, they are in the trended data. It clearly shows overall that more heatwaves are occuring and the average global temp has increased by 1.5C since industrialization.

No one is ignoring anything apart from yourself.