Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

This is where they go.

https://www.lpp.ie/re-turn-drs/#:~:text=From%20February%202024%2C%20when%20you,your%20deposit%20back%20in%20full.

OK, Return responded. Shops with broken machines have to accept manual returns. And they seem interested in finding out if shops are refusing.

Yes, if the RVM isn’t working, the store should take the bottles and cans from you. Have you experienced issues with this?

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RPO & Community DRS Manager

I removed his name as I don't think it right to share on here. So please stop changing stores just because the machine is broken. Force the manual return. Its not our issue if the machines don't work, and it's worse for the environment to be driving around looking for machines that work.

Do you believe that these statistics provide a partial insight into practices then and are much different today.

If there was a massive increase in recycling, DRS would not be needed.

Wake up and live in the real works. A bin company separates waste and recycling items. Some have value, some have cost. If part of there positive revenue from this is gone then they must recoup that loss elsewhere.

It similar I sell cattle to the factory. The animal is skinned, gutted and other parts removed( head, let's below the knees etc. I am.oaid on the bare carcasse. However the hide and offal all have value. These go up and down in price abd even though I am not directly paid for them they effect the price e per kg I am paid.

A lot of businesses are similar there have positive and negative byproducts if a positive revenue product is removed it value must be recouped elsewhere..…usually the consumer or orginal producer is caught for the cost

You did that I am sure, but plenty of folks werent so responsible.

I guess the idea with the scheme is to incentivise people to recycle, rather than rely on good will alone.

To clarify…. to put them in a collection unit from which they might be recycled.

Quick, call the Council and get someone down there now. Lawbreaking! Arrest them!

I stand corrected.

Oh, I am wide awake ok.

You describe a commercial transaction between you and a factory.

The issue at hand here is that new legislation is making us use RVMs because the government wants to reach EU targets.

At the same time bin companies who used to collect bottles and cans want to continue to be paid for not collecting them.

It's up to the government who privatised a public service and made service agreements with the companies to sort this out.

It has no merit legally or contractually. It is how you feel about it, but that doesn't give it any standing.

Not sure why I need to put forward any ideas… it is a thread to discuss the scheme and I'm calling out a side effect of it.
I seem to remember very dismissive posts on the thread that it could be a side effect, until it started getting reported in national newspapers. Are we not allowed to mention such side effects unless you have an idea to solve it? Nope, so I reject the premise.

But in my view, this is up to the government who implemented Re-turn to sort out, instead of pushing the extra costs onto consumers. They were warned during the consultation process of the impact Re-turn could have on kerbside collection. As the funding is now gone to fund Re-turn, unless some clever way can be found to involve waste companies in Re-turn, then realistically that means subvention by the government.

Plenty of people go through the bins to find them.

The mess left is an unfortunate downside of the scheme, but certainly a lot of containers get returned, even if not by the person that purchased them.

They will fail to meet the targets and that is pretty much guaranteed. Quite a lot of the people are not returning bottles they paid deposit on so there is zero chance re turn will meet the targets.

That company is primarily focused on recovery and recycling of plastic film material. As for re-turn and their cooperation that is at the moment in form of counting, sorting and baling the re-turn scheme material only.

Where does it go from there?

How much counting, sorting and baling of the scheme material cost?

Too many unknowns with this fantastic scheme that one naturally wonder why they are not forthcoming with details.

The government doesn't care, or at least THIS version of our government doesn't care. They privatised the public service so as to take it off of their list of responsibilities and they could wash their hands of it.

And a private business concern, which is what our waste management is now, can do what they damn well please so long as it's within the law. So if they feel that their profits are being impacted they can, and do, increase their prices pretty much at will.