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Limerick GAA Discussion Part 2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 OnTheCorner


    A stupid question. Care to address my actual point?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    So u won't answer the question so I take it ur talking sh1t and John Dalton wasn't in court. And u actually expect people to accept the Cody dropped him for giving a lad a dig of a hurley ,ffs he would have to drop the majority of the KK team at that rate.Go away and cop yourself on ffs will ya.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Ok so he was dropped after being sent off,so what exactly are u saying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 31 OnTheCorner


    Do you actually not understand my point or are you pretending not to because you know you are defending the indefensible?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭einn32


    I thought Cork were slightly off the intensity they brought against Limerick both times in the AI final. The quick puckouts were not allowed so Clare were able to reset properly also and destroyed the long ball tactic. Also Clare got away with the pulling and dragging that was clamped down on in this year's Munster final. Cork gave Clare so much space at times - I don't think Clare had a free in the second half. Few of Cork players had off days also but Cork had the chance to draw it in the end and missed. They couldn't miss against Limerick. It's all inches between the top teams in hurling the last few years! Cork and Clare will improve. Clare will surely be gunning for a Munster title now.

    Quaid and Hayes made the RTE team of the year. Hard to argue with that. We were probably generally slightly off form through the year or only getting form in fits and starts. The injuries probably hurt us also. Casey and DOD were massive losses. Ultimately 5 years playing every game in the championship newrly proved that bit too much. I'd say that this loss will get a bit of staleness out and hunger back by next November. Lads will itching to get back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Did u ever ask yourself was Dalton dropped because he gave some lad a dig or because he go caught and got sent off possibly costing KK the match.Another thing maybe you should consider if it was Noel Hickey,Jackie Tyrell,Henry or any of the superstars o that team would Cody have dropped them.You know and I know the answer is no he wouldn't,so get off ur high horse .



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Can't believe Gillane didn't make that team after the year he had.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭big_drive


    Gillane was brilliant in all Ireland semi final but I thought average rest of year.

    Only scored 2-9 from play all year and 0-6 of that came in all Ireland semi final. Only 2-3 in the other 5 games he played. I think it's a lower return than any other Limerick forward this year so I couldn't see how he'd make team of year. I'd rate Seamus Flanagan and Hegarty as having much better years than him



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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 OnTheCorner


    You clearly didn’t read the article I posted if you’re now saying Cody wouldn’t drop any of the star players.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    I read it and understood it u obviously didn't.Cody dropped lads that were coming to the end of brilliant careers and he had replacements in mind to keep the team going forward.He dropped Dalton because he didn't rate him and had someone better to take his place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We got 2 and you wouldn't expect any more. These things are heavily weighted by recency bias and myself I think Quaid and Hayes are the only two definites. I would be happy if we even get two All Stars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Hego had a good year but everything went pear-shaped for him in the semifinal,whereas Gillane was excellent eventhough he could have had a couple of goals too just one of those days.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Yes. Referee didn't see the incident. Eoin Larkin was sent off for retaliation in that match, a league final against Dublin in 2011



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Ok fair enough I was only going by the article I read which said he was sent off



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Hegarty should be in there. this team of the year crack on the Sunday game is a nonsense. Hurler of the year has to come from the All-Ireland and the team is going to be biased as a result. It's way too soon to be naming a team at least the all-stars has a bit of distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Hegarty had a fantastic year up until the semi where he was very poor. Nothing went right for him really. He tried hard and gave a few very good passes ...one in particular arrowed across to David Reidy was very good. But some of his attempted pick ups were shocking. He should have been taken off. The biggest issue for this Limerick team is the lack of goal threat. Gillane and Flanagan are able to take a goal but they won't make one on their own like a Kelly or O Donnell. Gillane has a great fetch and has gotten some excellent goals but there's no one to scorch a defence and bury one. There is one...O Dalaigh. Unfortunately he's been surplus to requirements in championship since the Clare game. O Brien hasn't the pace for goals either..

    MMidfield And it's lack if scoring power is another issue. There's no pace there either. I think O Donoghue and O Donovans partnership might be coning to an end there . It badly needs pace and scoring in midfield.

    I'd have Limerick in the top 2 next year with Cork

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Cathal O’Neill can 100% create a goal himself from nothing. Good chance now though that positional changes for him will nullify that threat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    Christ lad, champions 5 days and ye’re already playing the underdog card! The target is on Clare’s back now, embrace it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ah c'mon - Be realistic about it

    Limerick are still big favs to win next year. Clare wouldn't be 2nd favs either.

    I know it's natural to think that makes no sense; but Leicester won the Premier League, you hardly thought it automatically made them favs the year after?

    Man United won the FA Cup this year - are they now Favs to win next year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    Nonsense comparisons - Leicester winning the league would be more akin to Laois winning the All Ireland. Clare are not some team that came out of nowhere who will immediately go back to nowhere.

    The FA Cup has not been comparable to the hurling championship since 1996, the last season it was one chance knockout only.

    Clare were playing at a similar level to Limerick in 2022 and 2023. A draw and a one point defeat in 2022, a one point win and a one point defeat in 2022. 3 points in Ennis this year and the Munster final this year would be the only occasion in the last 6 outings where Limerick looked comfortable against Clare.

    Clare weren’t lucky to win this championship, they didn’t come out of nowhere. Limerick beat them twice. Would Limerick have beat them in the final? We’ll never know as Limerick weren’t good enough to get there. Will Limerick be the bookies favourites next year? Absolutely. Clare were the best team in the championship and as such the target is on their back next year.

    They weren’t being given enough respect in the two weeks leading up to the final. Cork this, Cork that. And they’re still not being given respect by some now that they’ve gone and won it with these one in a million Leicester City fairytale and basket case era Man United comparisons.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    I don’t agree on Hegarty to be honest. He had the All Star in his hands going into that semi final. He was one of a handful players started that day as likely All Star winner and finished as All Star nominee, unlikely winner. Two good Croke Park performances outweighs anything that occurs in the provincials in my opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭letsseehere14


    This Clare team are 2 to 3 years further down the road than Limerick.

    This was their peak imo. They will begin to see a turnover from a lot of the older cohort quite soon and they do not have an obvious group close enough to fill the gaps seamlessly.

    For next year, assuming some bit of player turnover in Kilkenny, Clare, Cork and Galway, I would have it as Limerick then Cork followed by Kilkenny and Clare together, then Waterford Galway and Tipp together in the 3rd group. But it would not take much for either Kilkenny or Clare to slip back even further, nor would it take much for Galway Waterford or Tipp to come good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Rosita


    It's amazing the amount of people who swallow this stuff about Cody as if he was in charge of some society which promoted high moral standards instead of a hurling team.

    In a discussion about Kyle Hayes around Christmas time I heard a guy convinced that Cha Fitzpatrick's career was summarily ended by Cody along with two selectors gate-crashed a wedding to check on Cha and found him drinking. The story got better as Cody apparently announced the end of Cha's career in front of onlookers.

    Obviously impossible in that scenario to point out that Cha just lost his place on the team gradually and decided (as far as I am aware) to step back and do other things. He's now living in Japan I think so not exactly your standard Kilkenny hurler type anyway.

    As I said if Brian Cody ever had a hurler like Kyle Hayes he'd back him to the hilt guaranteed. Any manager who takes anything other than pragmatism into account isn't doing his job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Who will Clare lose though? Conlon is playing aswell as ever, Kelly and O'Donnell will be fine and Rodgers has another years experience, Ryan Taylor will have a full pre-season. Clare might be fond of the long grass but everyone can see they will take beating next year now that they have the monkey off their backs, they'll be gunning for a first back to back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Definitely not nonsense. Might be exaggerated.

    You can’t seriously say Clare are favs for next year?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    Did I though? Read what I said again. I asked the question and gave an answer on who the favourites will be next year. And I stated that the current champions are the ones with the target on their backs. It’s their title to lose afterall.

    Being favourites is pretty much meaningless and guarantees sweet fcuk all anyway. Didn’t even get Limerick to the final this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Going into 2025, it’ll still be Limerick with the targets on their back if their squad stays relatively the same. All other teams will be thinking that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    One team beat Limerick twice, one team lost twice to Limerick. Which one is currently enjoying the celebrations and homecoming’s?

    There’s no prize for beating Limerick. It’s all about lifting Liam and Clare are currently in possession of the trophy. It’s theirs to lose and they’ll fully expect to defend that title next season.

    I don’t believe they will feel unduly pressured by that target being on their back, whether you like it or not that comes with the territory of being champions. Teams will also want to beat Limerick but Clare were the best team in the championship this year. It was no fluke, they didn’t have an easy path (as has often been stupidly suggested about 2013), they’re a serious outfit and anyone who watched their games with Limerick in 2022 and 2023 knows there’s very little between them. They now have the added experience of having now won the championship.

    Give them the respect that they have more than earned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Believe me, I respect Clare as much as anyone but there’s a reality to this. Limerick are the top dogs on paper

    Yes teams might see Clare as a chance to take a scalp off the All-Ireland Champions but my god beating limerick is the big one



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Knockdromin


    I can assure you that not a single Clare person gives a shyte that they didn’t beat Limerick this year and not a single Cork person wouldn’t immediately trade the two wins over Limerick for the win on Sunday. Limerick aren’t the centre of the hurling universe - Liam McCarthy is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Munster will be insane next year with the 3 big dogs (Clare/Lim/Cork) all in one group. If Waterford are good or better it will be madness. The one big unknown is where Tipp will stay down or if there's a bounce back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I know they don’t give a **** they didn’t beat limerick. And yet everyone going into next year would love to beat limerick as much as anyone else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    It’ll be a minefield once again for sure. The other fella going nuts trying to deflect and saying Clare are the ‘top dog’ essentially favs is ridiculous though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Target on Clare's back now, which should make life easier for Limerick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    I think it's clare cork and limerick in no particular order by the way for next yrs munster final. Either might win the all Ireland but I feel the future has to be red maybe saffron and blue we don't seem to be bringing the young lads through. Time will tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i think its too close to call, if we didnt get that 45 against waterford , they would have been through ahead of cork to the latter stages of the championship

    limerick will make the adjustments in midfield and the half back line to cope with corks speed next year , tipperary have some really good players in the making but i just doubt the man in charge will get it out of them i could be wrong , we are the ones now with the target on the back , and we need a transition so it could be us very easily that are sacrificed next may



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We have a younger age profile than Clare and have had more good underage than them recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Our last good u20 team was the one that got to all Ireland final I'd say we have got as much off that team as we can? Clare have had 2 minor winning teams recently? Anyway it's not the be all end all.

    Clare certainly have as old lads as we have but they haven't been as flogged if you know what I mean.

    If our lads commit and for once we get a break re injuries we'll take stopping. It has to be said we were missing 3 all stars v cork. Not looking for excuses as cork were superb as I expected them to be .

    Congratulations to clare I must say I was delighted for lohan



  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭letsseehere14


    We're unsure at the moment who they'll lose but;

    Lohan refused to answer if he'll stay on next year.

    O'Donnell has spoken openly about travelling in the very near future.

    McInerney will be 32

    Conlon will be 36

    Cathal Malone will be 33

    David Reidy will be 32

    Then about 7 or 8 others are already also the wrong side of 30.

    Time waits for no man as they say. People can ignore it but after 30 the end comes for some quicker than others. 2/3 of their starting team and half of their squad are into the twilight of their careers after reaching the pinnacle.

    Best scenario for Clare is if they lose noone and maintain. Thatll be a serious result. If Clare can maintain their current levels without O'Donnell and Lohan it'll be a miracle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Tipp are in the same position as Cork were last year with a good crop of young players coming through.

    Munster will be carnage next year, it will be an achievement to get out of it whatever your colour

    Congrats Clare. Hurling the biggest winner of last Sunday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Could be the highest attended Munster ever. Might try and get down for my first game or two.



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