Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Most things are stated without evidence. For example, I might say to someone look left and right before crossing the road. They don't typically demand evidence to prove that it is a good idea so shutting down a conversation before it begins for lack of evidence is a bit silly.

The 200k is a completely different topic and I think has been discussed ad infinitum. Included in that 200k are the likes of rehab caring for people with disabilities etc. They're not all there to lobby the government.

Returning to previous, your dismissal is annoying. It could reasonably be argued that increasing university places, pay, etc would encourage more to become doctors/ nurses/ etc and therefore the health system would support itself with the reduced population the speaker describes. Whether that is what people want is another story.

What evidence do you require? Do you think no nations can produce sufficient healthcare staff from their populations? As I say, very annoying.

The man stated that the reasons there are delays with hospitals in due to the influx of immigrant. No doubt he would also state that the immigrants are all "military aged men aged 18-29" ….. the category of people who are least likely to need health care. But he might just as well have blamed his horoscopes for any delays. Or he might alternatively have blamed the migrants for the bad weather we had this year.

You know that the famed Brexit bus promise of 350m a week to the NHS seems to have instead resulted in staff shortages in UK healthcare? It never explained the number of foreigners who went to work in the UK for relatively low-paying jobs in healthcare. Nursing homes etc.

He did also explicitly state that there are 200k people employed by NGOs here to lobby the government. There will be eejits that lap that up as literal truth. You can watch the video.

Well done Ireland, the EU is proud of you 🤑

It is when the tax exile wants an exclusion zone

It isn't when the migrants go in

Not going to engage with paragraph 2 and 3 as off topic.

Very simply put, more people means more hospitals required. Genuine refugees especially may require specialist treatment.

Whether we decide to abandon such people is another matter but if you cannot understand that more people means more healthcare requirements I'd suggest reading some elementary maths.

You may dislike or even hate Steenson but your logic doesn't stack up and flinging brexit and Ngo mud does not mean your point of view is correct.

Look at any basic healthcare planning. More people requires more coverage. Are you telling the academics, administrators, doctors and nurses are all wrong and you are correct?

Here's some literature :

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hpm.2673

Moreover, strong projected population growth and ageing is expected to increase demand for hospital care substantially by 2030.

In your world, more people does not mean more demand. It's completely counter intuitive and I see no evidence to support such a notion. I cannot imagine anyone else in the world trying to push such an argument. It seems like madness but maybe I am wrong like those who pilloried Galileo.

Please, give me your coherent argument without going off topic that proves that increasing a population would not require an adjustment to the healthcare service.

They aren't off topic. Claiming "foreigners are the reason for the delays in the health service" is likely a fallacy. It was proven to be so in Brexit because the grifters failed to admit that it was actually the foreigners keeping the show on the road!

The "logic" they use would contend that if we rounded up every single foreign nurse, doctor, healthcare assistant and deported them tomorrow, the health system here would be better off because there would be less people in the country trying to use it …………

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what it is

On the plus side Winter is coming and life in tents isnt great craic then ;-)

So what level of violence would you be recommending or advocating for in order to effect a solution? And against whom?

Here you go

I wonder what brought that about.....

That's fantastic, except how many of the chancers do we actually fcuk out?

But that's what needs to be done. Advocating burning down buildings that could be used to process them (as advised above) would merely prolong any processing and also result in AS being provided with "own-door" apartments and other accommodation scattered all around the country. It would be extremely expensive and a nightmare to try to manage. Better off spending that money on extra staff to process them quicker

I do not disagree.

Careful though, a certain poster will be a long shortly to lecture you about deportations.

Eh, I never said you were a supporter. I said that his simplistic implication - which was repeated on here - that immigrants were the cause of hospital waiting lists had no basis.

In order to illustrate the foolishness of swallowing such simplistic nonsense, I gave you the analogy of almost identical Brexit rhetoric which has been shown to be untrue and in fact actually counter-productive.

But you are free to believe him if you want.