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Can my pregnant girlfriend quit her job, but continue to pay PRSI so she can get maternity benefit?

  • 26-07-2024 9:25am
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    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭


    Can my pregnant girlfriend quit her job, but continue to pay PRSI so she can get maternity benefit?

    She's 4.5 months pregnant and has a very physical job. Cleaning offices, canteens and toilets and lifting heavy things in a large block of offices and a warehouse.

    Her manager knows she's pregnant but he seems to be a bit of an asshole and is actually giving her more work to do every week. He completely lacks any sort of empathy and seems to be an ignorant guy in general.

    I'm beginning to think he's trying to force her to quit, rather than firing a pregnant woman which will look suspicious. But that's a tinfoil hat theory for another day.

    Anyway, she's at her breaking point and can't take it much longer. It's affecting our relationship and her mental health. She's worried that this stress is bad for the baby as well. Like she's walking into work every day with pure dread. She works until 11pm at night.

    Can she quit her job, but continue to pay into PRSI so she can get some sort of maternity benefit when the baby arrives? It would really help with our finances if that was possible.

    Or are there any other ways to handle this that I haven't thought of?

    Quitting the job now means that I'll have to pay 50% of my take home on rent, plus bills, food, car loan, and some spending money for herself so she doesn't feel absolutely useless and can do some shopping for herself and socialise with friends. So she'll be relaxed, but then I'll be stressed. We'll be swapping seats.

    She's already done a health and safety review in work, which lasted about 5 minutes and the conclusion was: everything is grand.

    Any advice?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    she can go on maternity 16 weeks before the baby is due I think?
    so another few weeks and she could go on maternity anyway?

    Go on maternity at the soonest possible time and leave the job or extend the maternity leave, use parental time when the maternity leave is up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭Tefral


    Dont leave the job. Go to her doctor and get certified sick leave. She can keep her maternity leave then whilst also accruing her stamps.

    If she is that stressed a doctor will have no problem giving her monthly certs off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭gipi


    She has to be in employment (or self-employment) to qualify for maternity benefit, so leaving a job won't help.

    Check whether she might be eligible for health and safety benefit, if not, then certified sick leave as Tefral mentioned might be the way to go.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,289 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Most women prefer to have as much maternity leave available as possible after the baby is born. Using 4 months, or more, before the baby arrives is not ideal as it leaves very little time after.

    Her GP or obstetrician will either sign her off work altogether (sick ) or will write a letter of support for her to have reduced physical duties.

    She should not quit her job. She will not be entitled to any maternity benefit if she does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,032 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There is no way for her to voluntarily pay PRSI when she is not en employee or self-employed. (Even if there was, and it would cost a lot to pay both the employer and employee contributions).

    Check this page - there's an advice phone number about 2/3 of the way down.

    https://www.hsa.ie/eng/Workplace_Health/Sensitive_Risk_Groups/Pregnant_at_Work_FAQ_Responses/Pregnant_at_Work_FAQ_Responses.html#leg1

    It does sound like she may need to go on Health and Safety leave, you need to check with Welfare how this affects her entitlement to Maternity Benefit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Augme


    Work places are legally required to carry out a risk assessment when they are made aware an employee is pregnant. For more details read Part 6 Chapter 2 for more information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭griffin100


    There are a couple of things your girlfriend can do.

    She should formally in writing notify her employer about her pregnancy and ask them to conduct a Pregnant Employee Risk Assessment which is a statutory obligation on their behalf. She should also note to her employer that she is concerned about the nature of the work that she is being asked to undertake and the effect it is having on her safety and the safety of her unborn child. The employers response to that request would dictate the next steps. A proper employer would do the assessment and / or refer het to occupational health for assessment. If she is ignored she is moving towards a constructive dismissal case.

    She could also ask her GP to sign her off work and identify her as a candidate for health and safety leave on the basis of her assigned duties during pregnancy and she can present that to her employer and progress it from there.

    Pregnant employees are pretty bullet proof under Irish maternity protection legislation. The pregnant employee always holds the cards. Is the employer a large operation or a small entity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,032 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    What has to be done with the results of that risk assessment? Do they even need to be written down? What are the consequences for an employer if the assessment they do is vague, incomplete or downright wrong? Who should the employee complain to?

    Laws like that sound great but are of very little practical use for an employee who has a rat-bag employer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Augme


    The results of the risk assessment must be provided to the employee, so yes, they need to be written down. The consequences are the employee has an extremely strong case they could take to the WRC.

    The laws of very practical use to employees as any employer who fails to carry out the requirements would lose a case if one eas taken by an employee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    She spoke to her line manager, but has she spoken to HR? They should be her next port of call.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭scrotist


    What should she say to HR?

    She's afraid to ruffle any feathers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭wench


    If she's at the point of quitting, I think she's past the need to not ruffle feathers!

    She should explain the concerns you've outlined here, that the workload is too much/unsuitable for her in her current condition. If her manager won't take it seriously, hopefully they will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,032 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I've been thinking about this some more, and also the comment that someone made about she has to be given the results of the risk assessment in writing (I still cannot find the "in writing" bit as a requirement).

    The risk-assessment looks at:

    • Physical shocks - including direct blows to the abdomen
    • Vibration - of whole body, there are guidelines on vibration
    • Handling a load - there are guidelines on handling of loads
    • Noise – there are guidelines on noise
    • Excessive heat or cold
    • Movement and postures which are abrupt or severe or give rise to excessive fatigue
    • Ionising radiation
    • Non-ionising radiation
    • Biological agents – including viruses, bacteria etc.
    • Chemicals – including substances, which cause cancer, mercury, anti-cancer drugs and carbon monoxide.
    • Stress and/or bullying
    • Pressurisation chambers
    • Rubella – unless adequately immunised
    • Toxoplasma
    • Lead and lead substances
    • Underground mine work
    • Certain physically demanding tasks – heavy lifting, for instance

    And there are considerations for "night work for a period of at least 3 hours between 11.00 pm and 6.00 am".

    Your post says she's got "a very physical job. Cleaning offices, canteens and toilets and lifting heavy things in a large block of offices and a warehouse."

    But, she's not doing what doctors call night work. Most cleaning jobs are active - but not extremely physical: Yes, she's on her feet, moving around and pushing a duster, vacuum cleaner or floor polisher. And yes, bending to clean toilets. But it's not abrupt or severe. Some vibrations, but not extreme. Handling some chemicals - but not cancer-causing, mercury, lead etc - usually similar to what you'd use at home. Most cleaners don't actually lift really heavy things - it's more like bags of office waste (this doc suggests that when standing, weights less than 16kg are fine). Not usually extremely hot or cold. I'm say that bully/stress to work faster is probably the biggest risk that most cleaners face.

    And most pregnant women don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool: it's best if they aren't sitting down all day, and are getting plenty of exercise. (Yes, there are exceptions - but if they applied her Dr would have advised already.) And size can get to be an issue - but usually at 8 months, not 4.5.

    So I'm wondering if this could be a mindset issue as much a manager one. And if you might be feeding the stress by being overly protective.

    Now, absolutely she should talk to her doctor about it, and follow the doctor's advice. But staying active and fit with lots of movement is usually a good thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭xyz13


    The relevant tax year is 2023 and 2022.

    Post edited by xyz13 on

    Bien faire et laisser dire...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭JVince


    go over the direct managers head and make a complaint.

    If he continues to act the maggot, make another complaint and get certified by her GP as unable to work. Aside from the 5 days statutory sick leave @ 70% of wage, the company won't be paying anything, however it is important to remember that you also continue to be entitled to build up holiday and bank holiday leave during your maternity leave.

    So DO NOT leave the job. Plenty of other options and certainly I'd start with asking her manager if he has completed a risk assessment and I'd copy the communication to the HR dept or whoever is over his head.



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