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SHRUGS | Exercises You Probably Don't Need

  • 25-07-2024 12:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭


    The Shrug The shrug is generally performed with either the barbell or a pair of dumbbells. The arms remain relatively relaxed, while the shoulders shrug upwards and back. The target muscle is primarily the trapezius (traps). These are the big bulky muscles that sit between the neck and the shoulders.

    Why You Probably Don't Need Them Don't get me wrong: I'm all for trap growth, the shrug just isn't necessary for most people. The vast majority of people I've seen performing this exercise are beginners. As I've covered dozens of times now, beginners will do best to take advantage of their propensity for rapid gains by prioritising large multi-joint exercises. To put it in lay terms: getting your deadlift up is far more important for overall strength, muscle and fitness than spending valuable training time doing shrugs.

    Additionally, more research is indicating that the most important part of the contraction for growth is in the lengthened position, i.e. when you arms are being pulled downwards.

    Are They Useless?

    Definitely not. If you're an advanced lifter, training the traps directly may be necessary if you want to get those last few percent of trap growth. Remember: I said advanced. That means it doesn't apply to me or probably anyone reading this. Second scenario for shrugs: injury. If you have some kind of upper body injury that means you can't do standard pushing or pulling exercises, you may be limited to isolation work like shrugs. Again, this scenario doesn't apply to many people (think two broken arms).

    What to Do Instead First and foremost, deadlifts. In the deadlift your traps contract isometrically to stabilise your shoulders. This is a tough task during a heavy deadlift, hence the biggest deadlifters have had monster traps. Additionally, the farmers walk (see above photo) can be both a good conditioning tool and trap-grower once you reach intermediate level. If you're still a novice lifter though, deadlifts are more than enough for trap growth. So in summary:

    Ditch the shrugs. Pick up heavy stuff instead.

    Taken from my blog



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    I dont like the idea of ditching any excercise!

    Seems to be the new social media trend "dont do this do this"!

    A slight lean forward really helps to isolate your traps with dumbbells or barbell!

    Shrugs are to traps what bicep curls are to biceps.

    I agree with you if time is a factor their are always better compound movements that carry over to more muscle groups but as an isolation excercise when performed correctly shrugs are great!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Shrugs are to the upper body what calves are to the lower body, for me. If I'm going to skip something due to a time constraint, it's going to be them.

    I rotate between dumbell and barbell shrugs, and I vary my sets and reps.

    I do sometimes think I should make a concerted effort at a few months of kelso shrugs and see if my traps actually respond better.

    Agree for a lot of people they're superfluous depending on experience and goals, and something I don't think you mention is that they're often also performed very badly, with limited ROM on the shrug and odd head movement going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I wouldn’t say never to use shrugs, they just need to be kept in perspective compared to multijoint basics.

    The ‘don’t do this’ thing annoys me too, but it’s because they are always nitpicking at stuff that doesn’t matter (do your lateral raises with a cable instead of a dumbbell for example). But I think it’s fair to say that bringing people’s attention to the minimal return on time/energy investment from a shrug versus a deadlift is accurate.

    I’ve heard that about the lean forward alright. I actually don’t do shrugs as I’ve always been satisfied with the trap growth I got from deads (so I’m a bit biased).

    I actually found curls were more necessary for me to include to see arm growth. Chins and rows stopped significantly growing my biceps fairly quickly after beginner gains. I do curls 2-3x per week now and the growth is very noticeable.

    Yeah I think it’s just a matter of keeping in perspective how much time the average person actually has for training and whether shrugs are really justified in there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Cill94


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Only started calf raises myself recently actually. Fun to be able to progress a muscle group I never really trained. 

    But yeah I suppose this and all my articles are always aimed at the kind of people I train, who are beginners in dire need of direction and perspective on what really matters. 

    God the weird chicken dance you see people doing with way too much weight on shrugs is something else. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    "I dont like the idea of ditching any exercise!"

    I find that a strange comment. There are so many possible exercises and muscles to target you have to selectively ditch some. That's before even considering variations. I'd be really curious what your program looks like if you are not ditching any exercise/muscle group.

    Shrugs are a great way to target the traps. If you need to target the traps that is the obvious choice. But the majority of people don't need to isolate traps is they are heavy deadlifts and/or carries.
    I'm not sure about the bicep/shrugs analogy. I men, you don't need curls either but depending on what main lifts you do they may not be hit too hard. Where as traps will be hit hard in deadlifting.

    I had a deload deadlift week this week. Coincidently I decided to added in a deliberate shrug at the top of each movement. But I was only able to do that as it as 60%, I doubt it will be possible or necessary at 70-90%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Ditch as in never use!

    Hardly gonna spend 10 hours a session in the gym lad!😁



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    There obviously was a phase were some people did say curls were not required, or pure vanity. In CrossFit in the early years there was a mentality of "why would you bother?" with isolation exercises. Glassman hated things like leg extensions in particular. His argument was a little bit like the stuff the functional and sports specific training crowd still advance. And yet hamstring isolation work was fine.

    That all went quiet at a certain point, might have been when people like Annie Thorsdottir showed their Games-winning training, and it involved a lot of bodybuilding style dumbell isolation work during certain phases, including curls.

    I'm not actually sure Glassman was totally wrong, depending on what someone's goal is. There is a hierarchy for general trainees, or even for sports performance, and biceps and triceps probably are lower down than other body parts. Context is everything. Most men do want big arms, if they're honest though, so in that sense... never low tier! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I find it quite odd how many people parrot the ‘curls aren’t functional’ rhetoric.

    If you’ve ever had to pick something heavy up in real life (a fridge, couch, person) you realise quite quickly that having straight arms is not always feasible and so you need to have pretty damn strong biceps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    To be clear I endorse bicep curls!

    Moving weight is functional full stop!

    I just think variety can make training more enjoyable and would be in Favour of rotating in and out various exercises from time to time to keep it interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    The Elvis lip curl is the best ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    To be clear, I got hat you were not saying you do every lift every session. But even if you do 3 different session of 6-8 lifts, that like 20 lifts. That's probably high end of the range, but wouldn't be everything. I do probably 10 lifts a week.

    I get what you mean. It can be good to change it up from time to time. But adding in relative niche lifts instead of the base is going to be less beneficial overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    "It can be good to change it up from time to time. But adding in relative niche lifts instead of the base is going to be less beneficial overall"

    Maybe but if it keeps things interesting and Im enjoying it I think its worth it!

    5 mins doing a set of shrugs wont make or break a session, but I might feel super jacked after it 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,235 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I don't think Glassman logic was wrong, in the context of what he was trying to do with Crossfit. Namely, daily WOD by Crossfit HQ that everyone one did globally. In that case, where people will do a random selection of workouts, it makes sense to stick to big lifts, and movements with high energy demands.
    But obviously that approach does nothing to address individual needs and goals. which is what you see with games athletes. structured strength programming, targeting areas that need to be stronger, peaking for comp, etc.

    In slight defence of the misguided functional brigade. It was never that strong biceps are not functional, clearly they are as in the fridge example. The argument was that doing compounds (or WOD) hit biceps sufficient you didn't need to isolate them. Similar to deadlifts hitting traps.
    Obviously you can't make sweeping generalisations like that. It totally depends on the rest of somebody's training. Lots of supinated pulling, you might not need them. I do overhand rows and pull-ups, so I add curls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I’ve personally come across a lot of functional ‘experts’ who basically espouse the idea that curls are useless for anything but aesthetics.

    Their logic is that isolating muscles is not how we are ‘supposed to move’ etc and it should be compounds for everything.

    Oddly, they do not apply that logic to a select few specific muscle groups like the glutes, hamstrings, upper back, or core.

    I think much like Glassman, it was just a concerted effort by ‘functional fitness’ to seperate itself from bodybuilding culture as much as possible. Glute abductions and band pull-aparts were deemed acceptable isolation work primarily because bodybuilders don’t really do them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Glassman certainly had no problem with various Nordic curls and glute ham raises, but leg extensions were a bridge too far.

    I tend to agree that what they would have said about curls is that there was enough brachialis and bicep work in the other pulling they did.

    I honestly don't care one way or the other, I do think the best reason to directly train arms is for aesthetics though. That is not to say there isnt some benefit of curls in sports or life in strength terms. Suspect I've narrowly avoided hyperextension injuries in BJJ through having meatier, more stable arms versus skinny hypermobile ones.

    If someone asked could they be "real world" strong without doing them at all then the answer would be yes, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I've seen a few espousing the usefulness of kelso shrugs recently. Anyone have any love for them? Recently gave them a go for 4 weeks (on chest supported row) and I just found them weird but 4 weeks likely not long enough to get a good sense of them.



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