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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,988 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    I suppose the only way to do it right is a total ban from 7 to 7, not a half arsed implementation.

    Realistically what business in that zone needs a car, van or truck to have access between those hours?

    Goods deliveries can be done from 7pm to 7am, car drivers could use public transport and anything “NEEDING” to access those areas during the 7am -7pm hours should have to apply for and pay through the nose for a permit.

    All it needs is a couple of council officials and a guard to pull in any vehicle entering the cordon and hand out on the spot fines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Cabo86


    What about the left turn ban from Westland Row to Pearse Street? This was supposed to be for PT and cyclists only. Was there any mention of this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,127 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, I love all of those big deal projects. I even worked on several of them.

    I just wouldn't be rolling the dice on the economic fortunes of this City, before the rest of those chess pieces are in place.

    I wouldn't restrict a single further private car, until Luas Finglas, Luas Lucan, Dart+ (Maynooth, Drogheda, Hazelhatch) and Metrolink are ALL in place.

    Eamon Ryan is being let away with THE WORST PROJECT MANAGEMENT ON HIGH CAPACITY PUBLIC TRANSPORT PROJECTS IN ALL OF EUROPE, so he can threaten local authorities over a few bob for coloured tarmac.

    The fact there isn't a single yard of new rail, light or heavy, under construction in this State this very day, is absolutely scandalous. And there hasn't been since the Luas Green Line extension in what, 2017?

    We delivered more f***ing sustainable transport projects when the Country was in f***ing bankruptcy than we achieved since. I mean WT Jesus F?

    The Galway-Limerick Commuter Line floods for months on end, and nobody gives a shite. Just shrug and leave it to rot. Just one example of the attitude to REAL change and divestment of private cars in Ireland.

    Why I despise these poxy little restrictive traffic schemes, is because they are tokenism. They are lip-service. They are unambitious. They are terrible PR on top of terrible PR. How the f*** was the City Council let destroy the environment of Dublin's grand old Georgian districts, with a million dirty, broken, dangerous plastic wands. Etc.

    Its a mindset, its a culture and its despicable. You revel in "tiny victories" when you should be deeply depressed

    Can we get serious now?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I wouldn't restrict a single further private car, until Luas Finglas, Luas Lucan, Dart+ (Maynooth, Drogheda, Hazelhatch) and Metrolink are ALL in place.

    aka you are **** obsessed with private cars and don't care about the single most effective form of public transport, which is buses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    This will be policed like any other road transport initiative before it. A few Gardai will be placed at the affected junctions for a few days in a virtue-signalling photo opportunity. Then it will be back to the usual limp-wristed as-you-were-lads style of enforcement.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    While the NTA pay them at the overtime fee for the privilege



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    This is classic: I wouldn't restrict a single further private car, until Luas Finglas,
    Luas Lucan, Dart+ (Maynooth, Drogheda, Hazelhatch) and Metrolink are ALL
    in place.

    It's just like saying "We shouldn't improve public transport until public transport improves" 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    A ridiculous post. Public transport and cycling infrastructure needs road space if it is to improve. Every city with good transport infrastructure from London to Copenhagen has more people on buses and bikes than on metro. Even after Dublin has a multi line metro, we still need a city centre that we can actually walk in, or go forbid stop or sit in. A 60cm footpath is simply not good enough



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    there was a woman interviewed on Claire Byrne show ( hosted by PBH ). She said driving up Burgh Quay a car must turn left into D’Olier Street, then into Westmorland Street. If it want to up the quays SB, they can turn into Fleet Street, then turn right back onto the quays.
    Who comes up with this madness?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,127 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Indeed. It brings all the traffic into the bottle neck at College Green and adds much more danger by funnelling it down adjacent to the pedestrian zone in Temple Bar.

    Just ignore it. I will be.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Cars must turn left onto D’Olier St or right onto O’Connell Bridge off Burgh Quay.

    Actually, legally cars can’t do the last turn onto Fleet St and then directly onto the Quays - that left turn off Westmoreland St is for access only, i.e. to access premises or the car park off Fleet Street.

    There will always be some people who will try and get around this or ignore it, but despite what some people like to claim here, the vast majority of drivers do obey restrictions such as those at College Green and the same will happen here.

    It’s another small step forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The amount of cars doi g the detour will be much smaller than the volume of traffic currently on the quays.

    You'll do nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’m only repeating what she said - maybe not in her exact words.
    I tried to paste a link but cannot. Go to www.rte.ie search Claire Byrne & the Dublin City plan pops up on a podcast. Olivia Kelly is the Woman in question & She is Dublin editor with the Irish Times.
    There was also a green on that topic interviewed who said Dublin was thriving. She mustn’t walk down Henry Street so. Plenty of empty stores, & the changes haven’t been implemented yet.

    But what nobody was asked on that podcast was: how do they propose the artics from the port get to Guinness’s & visa versa? Surely they’re not suggesting a 15m vehicle does turn into D’olier St, and into Westmorland, and into Fleet Street, to turn right again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,127 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What the City Council really wants is for Guinness vehicles to exit James's Gate or Thomas Street, make their way down to St John's Road and the Chapelizod Bypass and access the Port via the M50, thereby adding considerable time, fuel cost, and emissions to the journey.

    What the City Council also wants, is a thousand buses flowing seamlessly through the City Centre. But there will be nobody on them, because every reason that brings people into the heart of the City in the first place, will be gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    What I still don’t understand: I drive NB on the quays at least twice a week ( I’m a delivery driver ) & am sick n tired of seeing cars use the bus lane. If there’s FA law enforcement on what laws are there now, how do they propose policing these new rules?🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Every reason people go to the city will be gone? Can we get this post pinned please so when that doesn't happen we can remind you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭john boye


    I can't stop laughing at that last paragraph!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    because every reason that brings people into the heart of the City in the first place, will be gone.

    car parks? maybe we could arrange historical walking tours where we bring people to gawk at relics, 'yes, they did used to dedicate such edifices to parking cars in the centre of the city'.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    This is Ireland in a nutshell. Nobody enforces laws, so everyone, cars, cyclists, pedestrians do whatever the eff they want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’m not blaming the Gardaí. Their numbers decreased over the last few years, so perhaps they haven’t got the manpower.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Or The inclination, if you want to report a crime that isn't very serious e.g. murder, rape, a bank robbery etc. You get met with a stone wall of resistance.

    Theft, intimidation, assault might get some effort.

    Forget about reporting non serious traffic incidents, vandalism, minor assaults etc. You'll be ignored.

    I was once crashed into by an uninsured driver who was allowed by the garda to drive away from the scene. When I spoke to the garda afterwards, I said 'so he's out there driving around without insurance right now?' And he told me to 'chill'.

    That's what you're dealing with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,969 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    If cars must turn left into D'Olier and then go down Westmoreland St. does that mean they are breaching the 24/7 car restrictions at College Green? Sorry I am just commenting quickly before I head out so I haven't studied the map yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭Daith


    They're not going through College Green? They'd just take a right at College St to Westmoreland St. I think?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    No. it’s only got bear left past the BOI/Trinity main entrance onto Dame Street that’s illegal. To turn right into Westmorland Street is perfectly legal. But what these know alls in DCC don’t understand is a 15m artic will need 2 lanes to get around D’olier Street in front of Pearse Street station, and again to turn into Westmorland. I don’t know Fleet Street or the right turns off Fleet Street back onto the quays to comment on an artic negotiating those turns. I don’t think the people making these decisions do either🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Are all current car parks in the city xentre still accessible after the changes?

    Which journey to a carpark do people feel will be most impacted by the changes?

    In other words, how much of a deterrent are the changes for someone driving into the city to shop/socialise etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Is there any reason why we would want artics in the very centre of Dublin? ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Steve Allen


    I did a random google maps check last time this was raised - was much quicker via m50 due to not getting stuck in traffic and polluting the air along the quays



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Why would an artic be doing any of that in the first place?

    For the record, Fleet St / Temple Bar ain’t suitable full stop for such vehicles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    So someone coming east along the quays from Heuston direction, if they wanted to park near Henry St for example, what impact would the changes have?



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