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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • #2312
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435456#Comment_122435456

    Precisely why I'm impressed Harris brought up the suffering in Gaza. If this is what she says in an election cycle, I'd be interested to see what she says in a more secure (for her) time, instead of Trump being a sycophant.



  • #2313
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435278#Comment_122435278

    Do you have a source to support your claim that “The FBI targeted Catholics… under the leadership of Merrick Garland?”

    This claim seems incredible given Biden is a Catholic who frequently attends Sunday mass.



  • #2314
    SonicSuper
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭SonicSuper


    Iv'e been surprised we haven't seen bigger bounce in the polls for Harris in her honeymoon period and relief from voters that Biden is out. Looks like she is trailing Trump by 1-2 percentage points which is a massive disappointment.



  • #2315
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435499#Comment_122435499

    As usual the truth is more nuanced

    https://archive.ph/SRAXE



  • #2316
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435524#Comment_122435524

    Her supporters don't see it that way.

    Who do you think is seeing it as a massive disappointment? Biden left her a huge hill to climb.



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  • #2317
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435254#Comment_122435254

    This unclassified document states “Do not distribute externally.” Do you know how it was externally distributed?

    A footnote states that this investigation does not apply to the Catholic Church as we know it today, but rather a splinter group that rejected many of the changes since Vatican II, as well as the authority of Popes since Vatican II.



  • #2318
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435534#Comment_122435534

    Indeed



  • #2319
    Field east
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434359#Comment_122434359

    I cannot understand why the democratic side did not let JD V dig a bigger hole for himself with his unbelievable comments and when it’s TOOOOO late for Trump to change his VP pick to then LAMBLAST Vance on his away out positions



  • #2320
    Field east
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    I am not too sure re KH attending a lot of rallies , etc. I remember at the last election DT was away ahead of Biden re rallies, publicity in general, Fox, etc were very pro trump. Biden , relatively speaking ran a ‘very downbeat ‘ campaign



  • #2321
    Christy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435260#Comment_122435260

    That doesn't make sense. Won't the Dems still be trying to destroy the country with wokeness? Surely they will still have to vote for the Republican candidate in 2028 to keep the country great?

    The words make no sense for the meaning you are ascribing to them.



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  • #2322
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435140#Comment_122435140

    The only thing that Vance has shown since he's come to the limelight is that he's a duplicitous rat who'll say and do anything for purely his own gain.

    So, in that respect, he's the perfect VP for Trump.

    And neither of them shouldn't even be let on the Whitehouse lawn, never mind anywhere else in the building.



  • #2323
    rolling boh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435598#Comment_122435598

    Is it ever too late to change VP pick I don't know how it would work out but Trump could proberly do it with no resistance from his base .Trump will keep his vote it looks pretty solid so it's up to KH to appeal to the casual voters and get them on board .



  • #2324
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435360#Comment_122435360

    Firstly, of course it's an uphill battle. Secondly though, what she's clearly pushing for is maximizing turnout. That's what will defeat Trump. Trump is losing voters to Harris atm. That's the reality which you seem to be ignoring.



  • #2325
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435619#Comment_122435619

    There was a massive pandemic raging around the world during the last US presidential election. With respect to large gatherings, Biden ran a campaign paying heed to medical advice, whereas Trump ran with a policy of IDGAF.

    As I recall, one of Trump's many errant reasonings as to why he had actually won the 2020 election was that his rally attendances were larger than Biden's.



  • #2326
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435524#Comment_122435524

    The polls results only a week after such a dramatic change of a presidential election nominee should be taken with caution. A longitudinal tracking poll with several statistically significant samplings for several weeks leading up to the election would be more descriptive.

    Plus, this first week the Harris campaign has been introducing relatively new technology to virtually reach voters, as well as virtually recruit volunteers and donors with extraordinary size Zooms to several categories of voters. For example, they set a Zoom record with their contact of over 145,000 White female voters, so many that the Zoom platform crashed a few times. This sudden rollout of several Zooms may confound the one moment in time polls this week resulting in GIGO.

    Furthermore, I would be reluctant to use the honeymoon metaphor in regards to the sudden Harris campaign launch over a short period of time like only 100 days. Not only has it been a frequently used Republican talking point that may suggest bias, but I recall past uses of this political metaphor occurring after winning an election and describing a longer period of time like 6 months to a year.



  • #2327
    Redliketoast
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434088#Comment_122434088

    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though. Something that many dem leaning people on here laughed and joked about.

    Did many rep leaning people laugh and joke about Jan 6th?



  • #2328
    I.R.Y.E.D
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435731#Comment_122435731

    Where was it established by a law enforcement agency that this was the motivation for the shooting?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/arts/television/late-night-greene-jan-6-joke.html



  • #2329
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435731#Comment_122435731

    Did it? To date there is no evidence that the shooter was inspired by the left to commit the shooting. It's a pretty dishonest line to be pushing. There's a pretty strong possibility that he was considering multiple targets including Biden, a member of the Royal family and Trump. So what manifesto of his have you discovered that indicates he was inspired by the left? You claim to be moderate and want honest discussion but happily just pushed a claim that currently has no factual basis. Why?



  • #2330
    Flaneur OBrien
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435731#Comment_122435731

    Did it? First time I've seen that to be the reason Trump was shot by a registered Republican supporter.

    And to your second part, yes (well they tried, but humour is not the rights forte.)

    jan-6th-colorized-547703016.jpg



  • #2331
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435731#Comment_122435731

    Where's your evidence that comparisons of Trump to Hitler inspired the guy to try assassinate Trump?

    Also, Rep leaning people here have constantly laughed and joked about Jan 6th, including completely downplaying it, claiming it was just people walking round the building, and misrepresenting it as a bunch of people dressed as shamans trying to get their hands on the nuclear football (in order to deflect about the reasons they were actually there).

    It's a lot easier to laugh and joke about something that nearly happened but caused no permanent injury or effect (except of course to the unintended victims who were killed or badly injured). Considering Trump went golfing the next day, yeah, no qualms about making jokes about it.

    So again I'll ask; Where's your evidence that comparisons of Trump to Hitler inspired the guy to try assassinate Trump?



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  • #2332
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435731#Comment_122435731

    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though

    From the Thomas Crooks Wikipedia,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks?wprov=sfla1

    Authorities have stated that his political views are unknown, and they have not determined whether his assassination attempt was politically motivated. Public records do not indicate his views. No posts by Crooks on social media or writings indicating his ideology have been found.

    I presume from your line, you must have good evidence to contradict this paragraph that you could furnish us all with?



  • #2333
    Redliketoast
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435761#Comment_122435761

    But I thought that words matter? Surely if we can assume what Trump motivated with his words, we can do likewise for the dems and mum?



  • #2334
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435836#Comment_122435836

    You're sidestepping this. You explicitly said that the Republican Crooks was inspired by the left. Law enforcement agencies currently do not agree with that assessment. What evidence do you have for this claim? You can't claim to care about facts and make up ones that suit you.



  • #2335
    Redliketoast
    Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Redliketoast


    Motivation because of a comment can not be proven.

    We will never know if Tommy heard Trump wss the next hitler and decided that it was his time to shine.

    We will never know if every person that took part in Jan 6th, heard Trump say "let's march" and thought "he means let's kill".

    But what we can assume is that, if you say something inflammatory in the public domain it can reach a wide audience. That wide audience is not limited to rational people. Some people literally think they are the messiah. Some people say things like "if such and such looks at my wife or kid I wouod chop them up into pieces". Whipe i getbthe protection element, some people are a bit too far off the curtain rails.

    So if you give these people ideas, it will only go one way.

    Trying to deny correlation is naive or just plain lying.

    But yea "we are not the same"🤣



  • #2336
    Black Swan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435598#Comment_122435598

    Anecdotally, methinks that the huge online, talk shows, and news media reactions to Vance’s resurrected condemnation of childless cat ladies was very timely and destructive of his brand.

    Especially when you consider the massive adverse reaction of Swifties (Taylor Swift, who is childless, was pictured on the cover of Time magazine with a cat about her neck after being selected as the person of the year 2023).

    As to timing, less than 100 days are left before 5 November 2024, with time shorter for early voting states, and the childless cat lady has placed Vance on the defensive rather than focusing on offensive plays. There have been questions about Trump’s competence when selecting Vance by the press, as well as rumors that Trump may replace him, which seems incredible to me given the short time before election.



  • #2337
    Flaneur OBrien
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435860#Comment_122435860

    We will never know if Tommy heard Trump wss the next hitler and decided that it was his time to shine.

    So why perpetuate it then?

    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though



  • #2338
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435836#Comment_122435836

    Yes, maybe people were chanting 'hang Mike Pence' outside the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021, not because of a baseless conspiracy the sitting president (!!!) Donald Trump had been front and centre for promoting for two months, at least, including that day itself, but just because they felt like it?

    I mean, you never really know, do you? /s



  • #2339
    Redliketoast
    Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Redliketoast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435848#Comment_122435848

    Did the democrat supporter shoot Trump in the head? Yes

    Was the commentary widespread? It was almost the biden campaign tagine!!!!



  • #2340
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435876#Comment_122435876

    The (registered republican) "Democrat supporter"? That guy?



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  • #2341
    Redliketoast
    Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Redliketoast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435880#Comment_122435880

    Yea the guy who literally supported the democrats by donating to them. That guy



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