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"Last Supper" depiction at Olympics Opening Ceremony

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    BBC coverage also mentioned it

    Perhaps consider not getting your news from Russia Today comrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    And some people are convinced it’s just a sporting competition 😁

    Ahh no, you have a point of course by way of demonstrating that the Games are more about politics than they are about sport. The bit about vanquished foes though? The artistic director of the opening ceremony imagined they were vanquished foes too, and didn’t reckon with the almighty forces of the perpetual offence seekers.

    They don’t even have to leave the comfort of their armchair to impose themselves on others, so I don’t imagine the battles that you claim are to be fought by LGBTQ activists are solely limited by any geographic limitations. They’re not interested in fighting your battles for you, is an infinitely more accurate assessment of the situation. Neither the director nor the actors involved sought to target Christianity in the first place, so it doesn’t make any sense that they should target anyone in an attempt to achieve what you determine is fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    So, the perfect start to an international celebration in your opinion would be to have no representation of the gay community? It would be blindingly boring, but would it be equality to make sure the gays are hidden away?

    As for your "Only the tiniest minority of people in the West (who are likely to be bullies to any "target")" quote...

    This is why pride is still needed. To remind those bullies that they are not welcome, that people are equal, that gay people are here around us, and won't be hidden away. And that putting "quotation marks" around the word "target" when homophobia is still rife is not a very nice thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Spoony appears to have already thought of that - apparently no legitimate person can claim that LGBTQ interests are underrepresented and that more needs to be done to ensure equality.

    If anyone does claim it, they’re illegitimate 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Deub


    So nice of you painting everyone with the same brush (“its followers don’t accept joke”, Islam has a history of attacking…”).

    In reality it is a minority.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The official account literally said it was referencing Dionysus during the ceremony before a bunch of lunatics lost their mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    They'll all be back to admit they may have reacted a bit OTT.

    I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    That's the dude thats painted blue, who's the chick with the crown / halo meant to represent?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Jesus attend a lot of Greek feasts did he? Lot of Greek gods at the Last Supper? A cursory google shows lots of people with crowns of wreaths in paintings of such feasts.

    I fundamentally don't care cause losing your nut over one of the most pastiched artworks of all time is idiotic anyway. However finding out its not even remotely about them in the first place is even funnier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Oh that’s his main squeeze…


    God of wine, main squeeze… no? No? 😬


    Fine 😒



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    "Say if there are 2 billion muslims in the world and point five percent are extremists. That's still only 10 million."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Deub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://twitter.com/FrTedQOTD/status/795375748802613248



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Doc07


    in fairness no one needs to be embarrassed for thinking it parodied the last supper as even today on the RTÉ website it reads

    ‘Paris 2024 organisers apologised on Sunday to Catholics and other Christian groups angered by a kitsch tableau in the Olympic Games opening ceremony that parodied Leonardo Da Vinci's famous 'The Last Supper' painting.’

    Now on the other hand, being offended by it and making a fuss, well that remains embarrassing IMO.
    I’m a card carrying Christian and certainly wasn’t offended(although slightly irritated by the needless placement of an obese person). I take it as a compliment that western Christian societies can do such things and not get too hot headed about it and it’s not important hat art directors etc have to painfully think about other cultures haven’t evolved as much yet.

    For those getting offended and saying things like ‘can’t mock Jesus unless you also mock Muslims , Jews at the same time etc…’ all a bit fundamental and no craic and like the ‘careful now, down with that sort of think Father Ted stuff 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It is all "our" stuff after all (i.e. Western Europe) [the Greco-Roman pantheon + its imagery, most of the Christian iconography and art history etc etc]. Our artists can and should be able to riff on it + re-use and re-interpret it freely when and how they want.

    Hopefully the Islamic world and indeed bonehead bible thumpers in the US whipping up this controversy can join us some day.

    Walking around permanently annoyed with a stick up your bum on a hairtrigger for any offence must be a horrible existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    for anyone looking for Islamic and Jewish artwork scenes there are plenty to choose from, including…

    IMG_7621.jpeg IMG_7620.jpeg IMG_7618.jpeg IMG_7616.jpeg

    I don’t think anybody would have the neck to depict these in a way that could cause insult. The extremists in some cases might indeed unburden you of your intact neck. Christianity is always a safe bet when it comes to derision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 514 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Not even mockery or ridicule - simply telling the truth about Islam and it's founder/inventor, resulted in rioting, destruction and murder.

    Cf. the repetition of a dialogue from the 13th century by Pope Benedict, when he stated:

    "Show me what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith that he preached"

    That speech resulted in rioting, destruction of property and killing.

    Little wonder drag artists hesitate to broach even the mildest of mockery or imitation...



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    They wouldn't have the neck?

    No. They wouldn't bother because barely anyone is familiar with them.

    Maybe you still think the opening ceremony was depicting the last supper?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The organisers done an amazing job in getting the uneducated easily triggered and offended far right snowflakes to learn about European culture and history



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Ahhhh, all the Abrahamic religions, a great bunch of middle eastern, alien, death cult, irrelevant lads to get Northern Europeans into a ludicrous tizzy.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Bravo. Your impressive use of the word "done" leads me to believe that you are the true epitome of European culture, learning and history. It's a real shame that the ceremony designers didn't ask you for your input into some of the more sophisticated cultural tableaux that we saw on Friday evening.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Quite frankly it doesn’t bother me personally one way or the other, I didn’t even watch it, just joined in the conversation when I saw the picture and making the valid remark that you would not depict Mohammad in drag for fear of your life as much as anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Are you in the habit of telling black people that they are simply wrong to see something as racist if you yourself don’t already see it as such? Would you not think it inappropriate for a white person to be so dismissive if a black person was offended by Blackface?

    In what way are you better qualified to recognise misogyny than a woman is?

    Or is your certainty that you know best yet another example of this?

    image.jpeg

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    because it’s a man’s wurrld.. I’ll get me coat 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It’s really not a valid remark though as it had to be qualified with the term “extreme”, and even then there isn’t a fear of anyone losing their head or anything else. It’s just not common because about the same handful of people care about it as the handful of people who claim to be offended by what they imagined was an insult to Christians, all two billion of them, apparently 🙄

    Italian far-right leader Matteo Salvini said: "Opening the Olympics by insulting billions of Christians in the world was really a very bad start, dear French. Sleazy."

    https://timesofmalta.com/article/archbishop-slams-insulting-last-supper-parody-paris-olympics-ceremony.1095977



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    GGhhjkoiyffddd



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I don't know lads, I think the French made a balls of it. I mean London 2012 was quintessentially British, this felt more like something you'd expect from San Fransisco….without all the homeless, excrement on the streets, crime etc…

    I can see why Irish "progressive" mammies loved it tho, it had loads of drag, and there's nothing those mammies like better than to bring their infant kids to drag shows…but outside of that I don't know who will have gotten much from it!!



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