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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    The softly softly approach does not defer people from acting like savages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Most of them are after easy pickings, like trying car doors in case someone forgot to lock theirs and rifling what's inside.

    One night I slept in my van and at about 3 or 4 in the morning someone starts trying all the handles. Thankfully I had it locked and he moved onto the next one and the next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I fully agree. The level of force should be as much as required to effect an arrest, or subdue a violent suspect. Nothing in the video clip I saw supported the level of force being used.

    Unfortunately, the only person I saw in the video acting like a savage was the cop, so maybe you are saying he should have been battered by his colleagues. I don't know how the two lads were behaving prior to the head-kicking, but once they were passive then force used should be just enough to arrest them.

    They might deserve to be severely punished, but that's for the courts to decide, not the cops. Is it different in France?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭89897


    Theres a big difference between the softy softy and what happened in that video.

    Im very much in favour of using reasonable force where necessary but that wasnt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    You could at least have the honesty to state what we all know you're getting at.

    As for the antithesis to the 'softly-softly' approach, we have that here in various forms and it didn't end well, I'm guessing you're only a fan when it's not you on the receiving end…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I'm sure there are loads of male celebs that have less than good likeness in the Wax Museum too. After all, the 'art' is to culture what Love Island is to television.

    Don't see the big furore over Sinead O'Connor. Snow flakey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wax museums are one of the strangest 'attractions' there are.

    Just so weird



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I honestly think the vast majority of wax sculptures look atrocious. The furore is because they intentionally made sure to have it out in time for her anniversary. That can be incredibly upsetting for family members, in this case ones who weren't even aware of it up until this week. So I'd say it was in pretty poor taste, particularly not to loop any of the family in on it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    The opening ceremony last night was very disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    I thought it was great. Paris was spectacular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,677 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Less boring than tbe one or two others I've watched. Plus, it had minions

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Just thought it really paled in comparison to London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭micar


    Those new high rise bikini bottoms that's fashionable…..like thongs…where both arse cheeks are fully on display

    Was watching the diving from The Olympic and some of one piece swimwear have the same type of cut.

    I don't want to see your wobbly ass on display ……seriously unattractive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,682 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,164 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I watched the uncut Manchester police video. The stomping was uncalled for but the individuals being arrested were highly dangerous thugs.
    Stomping is so serious that despite the police having the crap kicked out of them beforehand, the police still come out looking like the bad guys.
    I would sanction the police officer and levy serious assault and battery charges against the thug, with a view to a custodial sentence of several years.

    The civilian woman shouldn’t have intervened, she put herself in harm’s way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Amazingly the two lads arrested were released on bail, even though two police officers suffered serious injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    He deserved another kick to the head....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Fair analysis.

    The Police have special powers that don't extent to civilians so they can subdue and arrest people. Thats part of the social contract, we give them extra powers, they use them responsibly . They have truncheons and tasers and restraint training and so on. From a UK Police officer friend, I know the training and laws around what they can and can't do and the escalation of force is really important.

    What the criminals did was horrible and I've no issue with the police restraint methods (did they and use a taser?). But when the guy on the floor submitted, the punishment comes from the court, not the police. Kicking him in the head was a separate crime and should also be dealt with by the courts.

    Naturally, the police officer has to be fired because he showed he can't stick to the rules.

    Normal, decent police must be furious about this incident as it just makes their job harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I think this is completely wrong.

    I don't think it's part of a police offers job to take a beating.

    The police offices should be accessed in the a case where they are personally taking a beating by how anyone would react when taking a beating, not by a list of pre-approved list of actions a police officer is permitted to enact on the public.

    Good luck trying to find someone to 'stick to the rules' when they are personally under attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Police are absolutely supposed to behave according to the law. What that police officer did was allow his temper to take over and then attacked someone on the ground, who at that time was not assaulting him.

    Everyone can let their temper take over, but they are still breaking the law, police in particular, are not supposed to break the laws they are duty bound to uphold.

    Dont get me wrong, I understand the emotions, unfortunately it will probably cost him his job.

    Yes, What he did was human, but it wasn't what a policeman should do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,677 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    He wasn't being attacked though. The attack was over and the attacker subdued.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Right well so are police officers given training in how now to 'loose their temper' when they are personally under attack. How do you not 'loose you termper, switch it off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Who suggested police officers should take a beating? You quoted me saying they're trained to fight/defend themselves and restrain people and they're given weapons and trained how and when to use them.

    There very much is a pre-approved list of actions that are permitted according to the circumstances. It's called escalation of force* and it's backed up by law.

    And in exchange for giving them weapons and training and powers beyond a normal civilian, they're also given responsibility to control their emotions and stick to the laws even when u der attack. That's the job and it's a difficult job.

    *I was surprised to hear yesterday that tasers are below truncheons in the escalation of force in lots of circumstances because unless the person has a particular heart condition, they cause less harm to incapacitated a person than a truncheon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yes. How Much would you say you know about police training?

    How To behave, controlling emotions and not kicking restrained suspects in the head is absolutely part of the training.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,677 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    You control your temper so as not to let such an event happen and part of the training is in doing exactly that so as to NOT escalate situations.

    No situation ever got improved by a police officer losing his temper and kicking the **** out of people because of emotions.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭aero2k


    My controversial opinion is that the longer video didn't change the opinion I formed after watching the brief clip of the head-kicking / stomping. The two boyos were behaving like thugs, but they had both been subdued by the time the cop engaged in gratuitous violence. I'm pretty sure the guy lying face down had been tazered - in which case getting him handcuffed should presumably have taken precedence over kicking him in the head. The other cops present seemed to be able to control themselves, despite considerable provocation.

    This cop is in trouble, but the likely outcome unfortunately is that cops will now be afraid to use force even when it's warranted, in case they too get in trouble (I think @El_Duderino 09 was making this point above).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭L Grey


    I think Ireland should put its own people first in all things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I think Ireland should look.after all people living in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I would have crawled over broken glass to get to joanne cantwell yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Nothing whatsoever. However if you are telling me they are being trained to control their temper rather than just being instructed to hold thier temper I would be very skepital that that's even possilbe.

    If it was you could teach it in school and then peole would't go around bashing up police officers or anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    There's a point at which you should stop digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,934 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    No. I think what is expected of police officers is extreme. I think if he's fired they'll be an uproar about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Keep digging so. It's entertaining if nothing else to see the ridiculous hill you're willing to die on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,238 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I don’t imagine there’s going to be any uproar at all about it being honest. Like even the scummiest of scum know that using a man’s head for a football? Nah, there’s just some shìt you don’t do.

    While he’s being held down, taking the opportunity to use his head for a football? That’s not an attempt to subdue the individual, it’s an attempt to exact revenge for a bruised ego. I don’t know if he’ll be fired, but it’s not the least bit controversial to expect that the police are held to a higher standard than the general public.

    Far as the thread goes, I think you’re on a winner though 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,119 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    My controversial opinion is that there is a small group of really sad people with very little going on in their lives who like to go in and argue every little point to death on boards. They're relentless and don't stop until the thread gets closed then they move on to the next popular thread until they destroy it. These same people think Boards is trying to silence them, but it's not that. It's just that like IRL no one likes them and would just prefer them to go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    There absolutely won't be. Everyone, particularly police officers know that he will most likely lose his job. He knows it too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Right, you haven't got a clue.

    Yes, we should expect a higher standard of behaviour from a trained professional police officer than a thug. Do you think police work is easy?

    What's your distinction between holding and controlling temper? I didn't follow that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Do you think police work is easy?

    Ye are the ones that seem to think it's easy not I, since ye are the ones saying that the police officer should calmly follow the rules of engagement even when being attacked themselves. I'm saying that is unrealistic because there is no way to train officers to behave calmly no matter what the situation particularly when they are the one's under attack which was the case here.

    While he’s being held down, taking the opportunity to use his head for a
    football? That’s not an attempt to subdue the individual, it’s an
    attempt to exact revenge for a bruised ego.

    I just watched back the full footage, the suspended officer was physically attacked by 2 people, the second assailant had been on the floor for 2 seconds before the officer kicked him. All played out in 30 seconds. I don't think he had time to consult his ego, I think his physical bruises and his life would have been of more immediate concern to him than his ego.


    I first saw this story break on CNN, then on RTE and thought why are those foreign channels reporting on this minor domestic incident in the UK. Oh of course because they were hoping it would be a George Floyd type thing, police attacking a minority group. I noticed CNN didn't follow up on the story when the full footage emerged.
    This is basically just the same as your 'using his head as a football' (as if for the fun of it) angle. Not impressed, thinking the worst of the police officer and doubly so because the individuals involved were Muslim. Ick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Absolutely nothing to do with anyone being Muslim, nothing do to with George Floyd.

    Those 2 seconds on the floor? Means there is No risk anymore from the assailant. The police officer was completely wrong. He is trained not to do what he did. He will lose his job. And there will be no uproar.

    Police work is not easy, and the people that do it are highly trained. And they know they cannot behave like this officer did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    I'm the son of a former member of AGS. I grew up listening to my mother answer phone calls in the middle of the night from time to time but I knew that meant my father was at least alive.

    Broken arms, ribs etc sustained on duty through a variety of ways. Unless your in that position then I don't think you can judge any cop for lashing out. They are human at the end of the day and look at the injuries the female officer sustained.

    Its easy to point to "they are trained" but self preservation as a human will always come fo the fore. Easy to throw shade from the sidelines. Very different when you fear for your life.

    Our population now is 25% higher compared to 2000. Have essential services kept pace with the mad govt policies around immigration etc? No

    Gardai levels, prison places sure as hell havent and we are dominated by lefty ideals, clowns such as PB4P constantly blame govt for individuals of the public unable to behave in a civilised manner and this has fed into a culture of no fear of consequences.

    The N7 incident a few years ago would not have happened if the courts and justice system was in any way effective and now a member of AGS is facing charges/trial for doing his job. But all we ever see now is X has 100 previous convictions and is still walking free.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'm not saying it's easy to control their behaviour when emotions are high. It's famously difficult. But that's the job. He's on camera committing an assault, similar to the people he's arresting who were all happy to call 'thugs'.

    If it wasn't on camera then they could muddy the water and make it a he-said, she-said. But it's clear what happened. Now the lads who got arrested will be charged with their crimes and the arresting officer will be charged with his crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Ask your dad what would happen if he was on camera kicking and stomping a prisoners head, while they were subdued on the floor.

    Every police officer knows what would happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,238 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    This is basically just the same as your 'using his head as a football' (as if for the fun of it) angle. Not impressed, thinking the worst of the police officer and doubly so because the individuals involved were Muslim. Ick.


    Wasn’t gonna say anything else but then seeing this? I couldn’t care less about CNN or anything else, it didn’t cross my mind to think Muslim (my sisters Muslim, white as driven snow ffs 😂). No, I was thinking of Kyle Hayes actions:

    Asked by prosecuting counsel John O’Sullivan BL if he was in any doubt that Mr Hayes was kicking the man, Gda O’Riordan replied: “Absolutely no doubt it.”

    “I observed him draw back and kick a man who was lying on the ground, kicking forward into the man’s head and shoulder area twice.”

    Gda O’Riordan said he saw Mr Hayes “break away” from Det Landers before running from the scene.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-tell-court-they-saw-kyle-hayes-kick-man-lying-on-ground-after-nightclub-brawl-1558061.html

    I’ve been in plenty of fights, never once did it occur to me to kick a man in the head, don’t care whatsoever about the colour of his skin or his religion or anything else. The officer could’ve tasered the shyte of of him and I wouldn’t care. It was the kicking a man into the head. That’s not a spur of the moment situation, it takes a thought process, generally from when I’ve seen it done - motivated by a bruised ego, and having plenty of time to think not to do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    The Galway races are crap , went once, never again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,569 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Never understood the attraction to these horse racing events for people who aren't big into horse racing. Sounds like a horrible day out to me. The ostentatious aspect to it is gross. Remember when people used to queue to to be flown in by helicopter during the Tiger?



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