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The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    And another go at Dublin from bitter little Kerry man 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    You understand the concept of podiums in sport and gold, silver and bronze medals

    So picture in your mind the galways players on the podium celebrating with their silver medals

    Not a gold medal but a significant achievement worthy of some celebration nonetheless

    Hope this helps you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Would you see Real Madrid having a homecoming if they lost a Champions League final at the Bernabeu?

    I was right in my first reply to you.

    You have no idea what the GAA is about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    In the Olympics maybe a silver medal is an achievement but in team sports where the winner gets a trophy and the loser gets nothing no. Look at the medal presentations after most soccer finals these days the players get the silver medals and take them off straight away at the least the ones with self respect do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭overshoot


    Move on lad with the tired rhetoric and get over that 11 semi…you cant even get the year right.
    Donegal won in 2012 with the Highest scoring average since Tyrone in 2008… but these defensive ulster sides! That Donegal average came beating every team that appeared in an AI final the 10 years previous bar dublin.

    If any of Donagheys tactical play, the poor Durcan Kick out or the width of the post at the end for McFadden didnt go Kerrys way we could have won 2014 but its fine margins,ifs and buts, they didnt and Kerry won. Probably not very positive putting 3-14 on the 'invincibles' in the semi final either? But easier to keep the narrative isnt it? Rather than say kerry were defensive too.

    We played Spillane prasied 'positive' free flowing stuff Bonners first 2 years racking up massive scores in Ulster and couldnt get past the Super8s… if only we tried it in 2014…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Barlett


    If the only thing in sport that you get enjoyment from is seeing your team win a trophy then prepare to be disappointed for 99.5 percent of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Why in all of your posts do you keep comparing the position to soccer and you also mentioned rugby. Those are professional sports. That is their job/profession. They get paid a significant amount of money to carry out those roles and they do not have any other jobs to focus on. There is huge reward for competing to be the best.

    GAA is completely different. It is an amateur set-up. As in, like a past time for players and supporters. All of these guys have their main jobs to tend to, which takes up the majority of their time. Their GAA time is their hobby or pasttime. The homecomings are a way for the fans to show appreciation for the dedication that these guys have out in to make things happen, and get their team to an All - Ireland.

    If you had made the sacrifices that those guys have done, you could also have made it to Croke Park. But you weren't willing to do that, and didn't bother, so became an armchair supporter. As Fr Tod has said, you haven's a clue about the GAA set-up. And are obviously one of those "fans" who head down to the pub on a Sunday to wat the premiership match, decked out in the latest premiership teams jersey that you got suckered in to buying. And referring to your UK team as "We", when in reality you have zero connection with the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭C__MC


    While I agree Galway bottled the game you can't deny them a homecoming for their families and players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭C__MC


    I always find it disrespectful to armagh when pundits write them off for 2025. They are incredibly hard to break down since 2021 all be it, they are not that attractive to watch. They have a strong panel and a good management team. I do think conleth Gilligan and Donaghy will return to their respective counties for 2025 in some capacity. That may weaken them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I disagree the manner of Armagh’s win overall when looking at their matches - Says to me a lot needs to go right for Armagh to repeat this feat.

    This will likely be a one off “flash in the pan” and Armagh will be “dining out on it”

    I would have a number of teams ahead of Armagh next year, in what will be an open season.

    You know and I know that if Galway finished better the last day.
    The narrative on Armagh been “well coached” would not be mentioned. Context is important.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭henke


    Writing them is a bit harsh. Considering where there heads were at after losing the Ulster final you can't dismiss their character either. History does suggest it is very difficult to go back to back though. Even the great Dublin team didn't manage it until the third attempt in '15 and '16. Tyrone had an awful defence in '22. Donegal in '13 etc so I'd say it's not very likely but certainly not impossible they win it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Wild speculation presumably that Armagh "will be dining out on it"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,819 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Well - you are stating the obvious a bit there.

    A lot needs to go right for Dublin to win it next year, and Dublin has a player population ten times that of Armagh.

    So of course a lot needs to go right for them to win it again.

    To win it once is a great achievement. To win two on the trot, for this county would be absolutely incredible. Apart from Dublin's big run, in the past 30 years Kerry have retained the title once, and not other team has done it.

    As for a 'flash in the pan' - what does that mean? That if they dont win it next year, then this year was just a 'flash in the pan'?

    Armagh will be in the top 5 or 6 teams next year. They wont start as favourites.

    Are they a better team than Galway, or Kerry? Maybe, maybe not - but when it mattered they beat them this year.

    And what you cant possibly take away from them is that they have some top class players who have shown they can perform at the highest level.

    Have to say, personally I am delighted for Armagh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Well if they do not they are idiots. You cannot but be caught up in the celebrations. The cup will travel the county this week and early next week. Then the players return to there club championship. Those that exit that late September will be caught up doing events, whether it's presenting underanged medals, doing promotions etc.

    They will be right to enjoy it. AI are hard won and you need a bit of luck.

    On winning back to back you need significant luck and a very experienced panel. The last time a team won back to back AI straight after winning a first were Cork and Meath of the late 1980's. But bother if these were seriously experienced teams with little opposition in there own provinve at that stage and both had lost AI finals previous to winning them.

    I am not saying Armagh cannot do back to back AI's but they would need serious luck. To get to that level of fitness again with the hunger is a serious ask and you need a bit of luck as well.

    If you win one after a gap you celebrate because you are an idiot if you do not

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭cosatron


    One thing I will say about armagh, they are one of the fittest and leanest teams I've ever seen and they have raised the bar in that department. All the players that took the field were 100% fit and that's testament to mcgeeney. Whereas we had question marks hanging over Walsh, comer, finnerty and Kelly. I think Joyce would've have learn allot from Sunday in terms off playing half injured players will only get you so far and your luck will run out and it did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh, I think even if Galway had levelled it, they were doomed in extra time. Messed up their chance to win it in match time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Even though Galway had injuries they finished the game stronger than Armagh. IMO they had run Armagh into the ground. What stood for Arnagh were they were clinical tgey took there scores from tge few chances they had late in the game.

    Liam Silke pass a ball to Walsh tgat he shoukd have put over the bar to even the game after the goal. The chance went and Armagh went straight down and scored. They did similar with a goal chance later in the game they took there point.

    I think after the goal Galway wasted about 6-8 chances. Armagh nearly scored all of there chances. Being clinical will usually win games

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You miss chances when you tire and are not fully fit. I don't think Galway finished stronger in that respect. Extra time would have seen Armagh's superior fitness allow them push on I think. Galway were tired and laborious and overworking the ball towards the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    You told us that there were a number of teams better than Armagh this season, and that did not quite work out.

    I think it is very hard to win two in a row, teams now see you coming and your hunger is a fraction less. Armagh in 2002 encouraged/outraged Tyrone, and their win in 2024 will encourage Donegal and Derry. Add that to Galway, Mayo, Kerry and Dublin and it is a period of unusual unpredictability. If a team meets one of these others in a quarter final, then they need to be good for 3 games.

    However, while there is no doubt that any winning team needs a few breaks, it is a false narrative that everything went well for Armagh in a unique combination. In the final they did not play especially well, several of their players are capable of better than they played that day. While Galway did not score from frees, Armagh did not either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I'm delighted for Armagh from a sporting perspective but also with respect to the personal tragedies their players suffered. Also the tragedies of the past.

    But I don't think they're a great team who'll dominate the next few years. They ride their luck too much. I know you make your own luck but Kerry should've beaten them by a few points and I think Kerry would've beaten Galway also.

    Sport is unpredictable though so I guess that's why we love it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    All I can give you is my opinion a d it was the opinion of a couple more neutrals that were at the game Sunday that I was talking to in Dublin.

    Armaghwere trying to conserve energy for the last 20 minutes. They used a couple long balls over the top to try to free runners after turnovers when they got no joy from.that theyused there running game to get a few scores. However thry never over committed going forward. They played it extremely cute but that is the way you win games.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,193 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And Galway were ponderous, over elaborate, turgid and missing uncharacteristically in contrast. All the hallmarks of a tiring team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Donegal missed a couple of handy ones late on against Galway, much poorer shooting than in the Ulster final. Part of the reason is of course the work rate of the Galway defence, who got a goal and defended their lead. So a semi final where a team failed to get to extra time is a measure of Galway success, whereas somehow the same thing happening in the final is Armagh luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Wasn't at the game but talking to a neutral who was and he said the atmosphere was unreal. Watching on TV, I found it a gripping and engaging contest and the ending was nail-biting. You can't ask for much more from a final. I think some punters don't realise how tight the margins are on the field of play and how much pressure shooters are put under in the scoring zone and the amount of analysis that is gone into reading attacking patterns of the opposition, it has to be claustrophobic out on that pitch. I think some people need to realise this and stop knocking the game and rambling on about a mythical game that only ever existed in their head. All Ireland Gold should have put paid to all those notions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,819 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    We live close to Croke Park and I'd say its the best atmosphere we've seen for a game, before and after.

    Also your point on kicking is well made - kicking under pressure is very very difficult, I think its much harder than people think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha


    Donegal went 2 points up after the Galway goal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,549 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The good weather helped the atmosphere and you could see all the colour as nobody was wearing coats. Good music before the match too and it got everyone singing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Close games can often be exciting, particularly if you're in a packed stadium. I also agree there is a greater appreciation for skills levels, level of pressure etc when you're up near the players in the stadium.

    But let's not overstate things either. Viewers definitely can ask for more from a final. The more engaging styles of play are not mythical, they existed 10, 20 years ago etc. Nobody wants to bring it back to just hoofing the ball like in the 1970s. But there was a lot of positive evolution of the game between the 1970s and in recent years when Dublin introduced and perfected, and others copied, this dour, boring, negative style with packed defences, no high-fielding, high percentage shots only. A few tweaks of the rules could bring big benefits, like when they banned backpasses in soccer. Armagh winning is a good thing as they are probably one of the more attacking teams nowadays, and just generally deserved it this year anyway, but there is definitely room for improvement for the game as a whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I must have watched a different game to you. Armagh had 15 behind the ball for long periods of the game. I wouldn't call that an attacking team. Dublin in contrast don't generally do that. So I'd take the Dublin approach any day.

    Unfortunately coaches across the country will take a look at the Kerry or Dublin approach or the Armagh approach and decide to follow Armagh's one.

    15 players behind the ball will become a common tactic if this continues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Armagh stopped Galway counter attacking at least 3 times with cynical fouls and got away with it….needed to be done and they did it…. Galway should have done the same for the goal



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